# NRA to Sue Arizona over Destroying Buyback Guns **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623 "2013-01-09T13:17:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/261 "2013-01-10T17:21:10Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The trial hasn’t even started yet, so Zimmerman’s can’t be said to be in the right or that no murder has happened. So no one is allowed to have an opinion on the matter until the trial is over. Someone better get a mod to shut down the dozen threads we’ve had on the subject. > [@](#): > > Doesn’t take away from the fact that many on the right were happy to see it happen. Still waiting on a cite for this, other than the insane argument that saying the shooting was justified = cheering and joy over it. This is insane. You realize that, right? > [@](#): > > Once someone has a gun, they’re no longer innocent. They’re a threat to the lives and safety of the public. Oh, now I get it. You’re just fucking with us. Take it to the next step. What should we do with all these evil, guilty, gun owners who are such a menace to society? Where should we built the camps to house and re-educate them? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/262 "2013-01-10T17:28:13Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Take it to the next step. What should we do with all these evil, guilty, gun owners who are such a menace to society? Where should we built the camps to house and re-educate them? I say we build them a home (a little place of their own). Maybe call it something catchy, like the Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/263 "2013-01-10T17:36:47Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Take it to the next step. What should we do with all these evil, guilty, gun owners who are such a menace to society? Where should we built the camps to house and re-educate them? Do you post crap like this just so that you can say later that “there was actually talk about reeducation camps for gun owners in a previous thread!”? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/264 "2013-01-10T17:40:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you post crap like this just so that you can say later that “there was actually talk about reeducation camps for gun owners in a previous thread!”? You’re a letter of the law type of guy. So if you can pass a law that says you could, then you should right? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/265 "2013-01-10T17:43:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you post crap like this just so that you can say later that “there was actually talk about reeducation camps for gun owners in a previous thread!”? Look at the poster I’m addressing. He’s a nut. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he would actually agree with me. I mean, look at what he posted. I don’t need to exaggerate it to make it ridiculous. He did that all by himself. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/266 "2013-01-10T17:44:57Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > I say we build them a home (a little place of their own). Maybe call it something catchy, like the Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings. Yeah! Who let all this riff-raff into the room? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/267 "2013-01-10T17:48:08Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Agreed on both points. But I think the standard by which the Court measures coercion just cannot be the percentage of the recipient’s budget that the spending occupies, or the germaneness of the condition to the spending. Neither principle has been consistently applied across the cases. So things aren’t as stable as that opinion intimates. Ditto standing. > > The relevant doctrines here are, to put it charitably, in flux. So I don’t think you can call arguments based on them frivolous. Fair enough, but we’re still talking about a statute that has no civil enforcement provision, which means the NRA _has_ to raise a constitutional argument to enjoin the sheriff from buying up guns - and there isn’t one. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/268 "2013-01-10T17:51:14Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > You’re a letter of the law type of guy. So if you can pass a law that says you could, then you should right? Apparently my Firefox “Idiot Screen” add-on needs to be updated. Thank you for the reminder. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/269 "2013-01-10T17:52:42Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Look at the poster I’m addressing. He’s a nut. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he would actually agree with me. > > I mean, look at what he posted. I don’t need to exaggerate it to make it ridiculous. He did that all by himself. But you exaggerated it anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/270 "2013-01-10T18:02:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Apparently my Firefox “Idiot Screen” add-on needs to be updated. Thank you for the reminder. My “phony screen” don’t work either. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/271 "2013-01-10T18:09:58Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > So no one is allowed to have an opinion on the matter until the trial is over. Someone better get a mod to shut down the dozen threads we’ve had on the subject. > > Still waiting on a cite for this, other than the insane argument that saying the shooting was justified = cheering and joy over it. > > This is insane. You realize that, right? > > Oh, now I get it. You’re just fucking with us. > > Take it to the next step. What should we do with all these evil, guilty, gun owners who are such a menace to society? Where should we built the camps to house and re-educate them? You say Zimmerman was justified, I say it was murder. He isn’t either till the trial. As for applauding Zimmerman, one need only read between the lines of posts made here and in other sites. There was a lot of joy that an unarmed black teen was shot dead. What to do with gun owners? Take their guns away. Once you’re disarmed, you no longer represent a threat to me. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/272 "2013-01-10T18:12:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > But you exaggerated it anyway… Yes, mockery seemed to be the only appropriate response. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/273 "2013-01-10T18:15:08Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > As for applauding Zimmerman, one need only read between the lines of posts made here and in other sites. There was a lot of joy that an unarmed black teen was shot dead. Still waiting for a cite for this. I also notice that you’ve moved the goalposts from this: “I think a lot of gun nuts here creamed their jeans when they first heard about the case.” To this: “here and in other sites” So that if you get real desperate you can start roaming the internet looking for anything to hang your hat on. Just admit you’ve got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/274 "2013-01-10T18:21:00Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Yes. Now please answer my question – I am trying to understand your point. > > Are you saying that the NRA is forcing everyone to buy guns and attacking those who don’t as unAmerican? > > A simple yes or no will do. Yes ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/275 "2013-01-10T18:22:04Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Yes Can you explain the mechanism the NRA is using to force people to buy guns? Have you bought yours yet? Is there some reason it failed to work on you? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/276 "2013-01-10T18:29:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’d like to see that argument. A judge could think that people of French ancestry genetically can’t tell the truth. I’m sure judges believe all sorts of stupid shit. > > If it is legal, BC buybacks certainly isn’t intelligent policy. But removing guns from people who don’t want them is. According to you, it is. But since we cannot adopt a rule that says, “If Lobohan says it’s wise policy, then it’s good policy,” I assume you understand we need a better way to identify wise policy. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/277 "2013-01-10T19:11:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And that’s not a completely crazy claim – the idea would, I suppose, be that $20 is such a low price for a firearm that it is, effectively, abandoning. But it’s almost completely crazy. Forgive me for (maybe) hijacking the conversation out of my idle curiosity, but does American jurisprudence not have an equivalent of the concept of our “franc/euro symbolique”, which is to say giving someone one minimum\_unit\_of\_currency so that a given transaction be legally considered a sale or financial transaction (or a given court sentence be considered damages) even though strictly speaking market values are being thrown right out the window in the given case, for the sake of X or Y ? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/278 "2013-01-10T19:14:10Z")
My sister once sold me her car for $1 so I could register it in my name. Something like that? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/279 "2013-01-10T19:16:30Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Forgive me for (maybe) hijacking the conversation out of my idle curiosity, but does American jurisprudence not have an equivalent of the concept of our “franc/euro symbolique”, which is to say giving someone one minimum\_unit\_of\_currency so that a given transaction be legally considered a sale or financial transaction (or a given court sentence be considered damages) even though strictly speaking market values are being thrown right out the window in the given case, for the sake of X or Y ? Yes, but we don’t have a fancy-pants name for it. [Nominal damages](http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Nominal+Damages) in tort and other money damages suits are generally awarded at $1.00. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/280 "2013-01-10T20:42:41Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Yes Thank you for answering my question. I am extremely skeptical of your claim. Please show me proof that the NRA is forcing everyone to buy guns. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=15)