# NRA to Sue Arizona over Destroying Buyback Guns **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623 "2013-01-09T13:17:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/321 "2013-01-11T04:38:11Z")
So what would Stephen Covey do to try and make this win-win? The police can buy back guns, getting them out of the hands of those who don’t want them, return the stolen one’s to their owners getting them out of the hands of criminals, and sell the remaining at auction to those who want them making it profitable or cost neutral, then dispose of the trash that nobody wants. It would supply less expensive guns to those who want them and thus would not be perceived by gun enthusiasts and the NRA as backhanded gun control. Would anyone be against that? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/322 "2013-01-11T04:56:05Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > And it’s no secret to the NRA. Hense they are suing to stop it. Now, why would the NRA be **against** reducing the number of guns on the streets? That’s got nothing at all to do with anybody’s “rights.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/323 "2013-01-11T04:57:45Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Cocaine is actually Schedule II, which makes dealing with it and derivatives of it slightly easier than Schedule I, but still tedious when it comes to the paperwork. What’s on Schedule I? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/324 "2013-01-11T05:04:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Now, why would the NRA be **against** reducing the number of guns on the streets? That’s got nothing at all to do with anybody’s “rights.” Obviously because guns save lives, help protect freedom, prevent genocide, etc. When I say on the streets of course were meaning in general that they are mostly in peoples homes. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/325 "2013-01-11T05:55:10Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Obviously because guns save lives, help protect freedom, prevent genocide, etc. Oh, come now, not even the NRA could be **that** silly! Why do you think so little of the NRA?! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/326 "2013-01-11T10:34:45Z")
> [@random6x7](#): > > Kind of, yeah. lol, I think that means “no, but I prefer not to admit being inconsistent.” > [@](#): > > They have better things to spend their money on than an innocuous program to help people get rid of things they no longer need. Keep in mind that it’s not just things people “no longer need.” It’s anything people prefer to trade for money. > [@](#): > > I also have no problem with the police being involved, because some public officials would need to be, Why would public officials need to be involved? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/327 "2013-01-11T11:15:26Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What’s on Schedule I? It’s a long list, but Schedule I includes GHB, LSD, MDMA (somewhat controversial), heroin, psilocybin, and (most controversially) marijuana. Schedule I is defined as substances of high abuse potential with no currently accepted use for medical treatment and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. Anyway, this is hijacking the thread. As for the thread, I think the NRA is being absolutely idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/328 "2013-01-11T11:32:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Now, why would the NRA be **against** reducing the number of guns on the streets? That’s got nothing at all to do with anybody’s “rights.” Because… Every gun is special Every gun is great If a gun gets wasted God gets quite irate Every gun is wanted Every gun is good Every gun is needed In your neighborhood ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/329 "2013-01-11T13:18:06Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Because… > > Every gun is special > Every gun is great > If a gun gets wasted > God gets quite irate > > Every gun is wanted > Every gun is good > Every gun is needed > In your neighborhood Why are you anti-gunners always trying to bring God into this? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/330 "2013-01-11T13:42:44Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Why are you anti-gunners always trying to bring God into this? whoosh? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/331 "2013-01-11T13:50:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, they’re not, they’re far more dangerous and far more worthwhile getting rid of. **That** is worth spending tax money on. > [@Kable](#): > > Thanks for being honest about the true intentions of these programs. Exactly. This is the heart of the matter. Pro-gun people recognize that guns are tools and that they have value other than just being evil death dealing scary things that must be destroyed. We scratch out heads at why perfectly good guns and even collectible guns would be destroyed for no reason. Anti-gun people just want to see them destroyed, even if selling them would save the state money. They can’t get past their hatred for guns and thus can’t be rational about them. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/332 "2013-01-11T13:51:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > whoosh? In this discussion Jack Batty kept calling these guns God given. Now you mention it. Is that like a debate technique cause you are out of facts or are you guys really superstitious? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/333 "2013-01-11T13:53:13Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > In this discussion Jack Batty kept calling these guns God given. Now you mention it. Is that like a debate technique cause you are out of facts or are you guys really superstitious? I assume you’ve never seen The Meaning of Life? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/334 "2013-01-11T13:55:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Because… > > Every gun is special > Every gun is great > If a gun gets wasted > God gets quite irate > > Every gun is wanted > Every gun is good > Every gun is needed > In your neighborhood Cute. So you’re just going to give up on your ridiculous argument that pro-gun people celebrated the death of Trayvon Martin? The usual approach when you have been so soundly routed is to slink away from the thread and hope everyone forgets about you. Alternatively, you could man up and admit defeat. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/335 "2013-01-11T14:01:19Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I assume you’ve never seen The Meaning of Life? Nope. Was Jack Batty referencing a movie too? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/336 "2013-01-11T14:05:00Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Nope. Was Jack Batty referencing a movie too? Don’t know. My comment was self-standing. You gun types are all carrying on as if the guns themselves are noble and innocent victims and must be saved at all costs, as if each gun had a divine purpose. Much as the Catholic children in The Meaning of Life sang “Every sperm is sacred”, your side seems to be singing “Every gun is sacred”. So I substituted “gun” for “sperm” in the chorus to make my point that every gun is NOT sacred and every gun is NOT good. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/337 "2013-01-11T14:07:41Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Nope. Was Jack Batty referencing a movie too? Search for the poem he quoted in Google, but replace “gun” with “sperm”. It’s a Monty Python thing. I prefer the Life of Brian, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/338 "2013-01-11T14:09:39Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Don’t know. My comment was self-standing. You gun types are all carrying on as if the guns themselves are noble and innocent victims and must be saved at all costs, as if each gun had a divine purpose. Much as the Catholic children in The Meaning of Life sang “Every sperm is sacred”, your side seems to be singing “Every gun is sacred”. So I substituted “gun” for “sperm” in the chorus to make my point that every gun is NOT sacred and every gun is NOT good. I really don’t get what you mean. I think guns are spiffy, but I don’t think they have a divine purpose. If that’s your best argument however, have at it. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/339 "2013-01-11T14:15:52Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Nope. Was Jack Batty referencing a movie too? Jack Batty being ironic, you dope. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/340 "2013-01-11T14:16:59Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I really don’t get what you mean. I think guns are spiffy, but I don’t think they have a divine purpose. If that’s your best argument however, have at it. The trouble is I’m not following your sides’ argument. If you accept the premise that one has a right to buy guns (and I don’t, but for the sake of argument I must state this as a premise), then what does it matter if any specific guns are destroyed? Someone wants to exchange a gun for a gfit card, knowing that the gun will be destroyed. How does this hurt you? Do you think that when the person sees the error of his ways he’ll buy another, increasing demand and therefore the market price? Exactly what are you afraid of? What is so special about these guns that they must not be destroyed? Is every gun sacred? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=18)