# NRA to Sue Arizona over Destroying Buyback Guns **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623 "2013-01-09T13:17:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/341 "2013-01-11T14:18:10Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Jack Batty being ironic, you dope. Oh, I see. I’ve seen people do that before in their last gasps of an argument. I get it now.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/342 "2013-01-11T14:20:09Z")
Irony \*is \*a difficult concept for the unintelligent. Don’t feel bad. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/343 "2013-01-11T14:20:52Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The trouble is I’m not following your sides’ argument. If you accept the premise that one has a right to buy guns (and I don’t, but for the sake of argument I must state this as a premise), then what does it matter if any specific guns are destroyed? Someone wants to exchange a gun for a gfit card, knowing that the gun will be destroyed. How does this hurt you? Do you think that when the person sees the error of his ways he’ll buy another, increasing demand and therefore the market price? Exactly what are you afraid of? What is so special about these guns that they must not be destroyed? Is every gun sacred? Define sacred. The rest has already been explained in this thread ad nauseam. I suggest you go back and read from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/344 "2013-01-11T14:22:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Irony \*is \*a difficult concept for the unintelligent. Don’t feel bad. Oh, I get it. Ad hominem is another good thing to try when your out of facts and reason. I admire your effort.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/345 "2013-01-11T14:28:28Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Define sacred. > > The rest has already been explained in this thread ad nauseam. I suggest you go back and read from the beginning. I have read it and it makes me weep for humanity. The gun nuts are a pathetic, ignorant, and fearful bunch. I honestly feel sorry for your lot, and wish that our education system hadn’t let you down so badly. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/346 "2013-01-11T14:32:20Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Oh, I get it. Ad hominem is another good thing to try when your out of facts and reason. I admire your effort.🙂 Dude. You (and your smilie) don’t get shit. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/347 "2013-01-11T14:35:19Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I have read it and it makes me weep for humanity. The gun nuts are a pathetic, ignorant, and fearful bunch. I honestly feel sorry for your lot, and wish that our education system hadn’t let you down so badly. You’re the one that seems fearful of inanimate objects. Not sure why you are commenting on our education. I graduated summa cum laude, how about you? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/348 "2013-01-11T14:36:29Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Dude. You (and your smilie) don’t get shit. No you don’t. The NRA offers beginning firearm classes where you can learn about guns and gun safety. That might help remove your fear. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/349 "2013-01-11T14:40:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > No, and your aggro attitude about it is unnecessary. I asked the question legitimately. I appreciate your elaboration. Sorry. I was unduly annoyed by your apparent presumption that I was misleading you with weasel words like “can be” and omitting obvious conditions that would rule out the applicability of the doctrine. Your questions read less like sincere inquiries and more like rhetorical questions suggesting that obviously if the doctrine were just properly explained it would be shown not to apply. Such is the nature of reading tone on a message board, I suppose. I’m sure \*\*Ravenman \*\*properly gauged your intent, unlike my intent-impaired self. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/350 "2013-01-11T14:41:41Z")
I’m not afraid of inanimate objects. Neither do I worship them - like you and your pants-pissing cohorts do - to the point that I start crying when I hear one has been melted down. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/351 "2013-01-11T14:43:53Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Exactly. This is the heart of the matter. Pro-gun people recognize that guns are tools and that they have value other than just being evil death dealing scary things . . . But, that **is** their tool-value. The whole of it. What they were designed and made for. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/352 "2013-01-11T14:47:29Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’m not afraid of inanimate objects. Neither do I worship them - like you and your pants-pissing cohorts do - to the point that I start crying when I hear one has been melted down. Jack you seem to have a lot of hostility. I really think you should calm down and take one of those gun safety classes offered by the NRA. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/353 "2013-01-11T14:49:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, that **is** their tool-value. The whole of it. What they were designed and made for. Do you think we should outlaw bows and arrows too? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/354 "2013-01-11T14:50:56Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, that **is** their tool-value. The whole of it. What they were designed and made for. Let me get this straight. You think that the only reason that guns exist and that someone would own a gun is because they are “evil death dealing scary things”. Do I have that right? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/355 "2013-01-11T14:50:59Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > You’re the one that seems fearful of inanimate objects. Not sure why you are commenting on our education. I graduated summa cum laude, how about you? At the time it was called “with high honor” but I’m sure my program was much tougher and my university much more presigious than yours. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/356 "2013-01-11T14:56:34Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > So what would Stephen Covey do to try and make this win-win? The police can buy back guns, getting them out of the hands of those who don’t want them, return the stolen one’s to their owners getting them out of the hands of criminals, and sell the remaining at auction to those who want them making it profitable or cost neutral, then dispose of the trash that nobody wants. It would supply less expensive guns to those who want them and thus would not be perceived by gun enthusiasts and the NRA as backhanded gun control. Would anyone be against that? Not until somebody points out that this will ultimately lead to a virtual government monopoly on the secondary market for low-cost firearms, and the heads of every Republican in the country explode. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/357 "2013-01-11T15:03:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > At the time it was called “with high honor” but I’m sure my program was much tougher and my university much more presigious than yours. OK, so in today’s terms you would only be magna cum laude? Maybe you should have studied harder. What does presigious mean? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/358 "2013-01-11T15:08:15Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > OK, so in today’s terms you would only be magna cum laude? Maybe you should have studied harder. > > What does presigious mean? Of course I meant prestigious you silly man. What was your major? Basketweaving? At an SEC school? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/359 "2013-01-11T15:11:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Not until somebody points out that this will ultimately lead to a virtual government monopoly on the secondary market for low-cost firearms, and the heads of every Republican in the country explode. They could put them up on [gunbroker.com](http://gunbroker.com), where they would think reach a fair market value. I suppose people would also realize they could take unwanted guns to a pawn shop to accomplish much the same thing. Maybe we just need more awareness of the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/360 "2013-01-11T15:18:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Of course I meant prestigious you silly man. I get it you were being ironic just like Jack was. I appreciate the humor.🙂 > [@](#): > > What was your major? Basketweaving? At an SEC school? I don’t like to give out too much information to strangers on the internet. But at least we can agree my GPA was higher than yours. Boblibdem, did you know that liberal democrats are one of the fastest growing demographics for gun purchases? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=19)