# NRA to Sue Arizona over Destroying Buyback Guns **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623 "2013-01-09T13:17:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/381 "2013-01-11T17:34:36Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No Suit yourself. You claim that the NRA is forcing everyone to buy guns. This is of course false and of course you cannot offer a shred of evidence to support it. I have no interest in engaging with someone who refuses to back up his position in such a manner. And by the way, based on your posts in other threads, I have no problem saying that you are the most vile disgusting person I have ever had the misfortune of engaging with on this discussion board. Goodbye, scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/382 "2013-01-11T17:40:45Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > So an over under shotgun that is perfectly balanced for skeet and trap shooting and never will be used for anything other than shooting clay pigeons at the gun club has no purpose other than dealing death and being a weapon? That is a sport-adaptation of a weapon; it never would have been invented unless the weapons were first. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/383 "2013-01-11T17:42:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That is a sport-adaptation of a weapon; it never would have been invented unless the weapons were first. The first handgonnes were designed for skeet shooting! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/384 "2013-01-11T17:56:27Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Suit yourself. You claim that the NRA is forcing everyone to buy guns. This is of course false and of course you cannot offer a shred of evidence to support it. > > I have no interest in engaging with someone who refuses to back up his position in such a manner. > > And by the way, based on your posts in other threads, I have no problem saying that you are the most vile disgusting person I have ever had the misfortune of engaging with on this discussion board. > > Goodbye, scumbag. Yes! ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/385 "2013-01-11T18:17:56Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > (by the way, thanks for showing me a way to make a point without explanation or context. since you only wanted a yes or no answer, and feel that’s sufficient, then that’s all you get unless you actually realize there are additional points aside from a yes or no answer. and this explanation doesn’t count because its in parentheses) In other words, you’ve got nothing. You won’t back up what your assertions. Because you can’t. Because they are fucking crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/386 "2013-01-11T18:19:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That is a sport-adaptation of a weapon; it never would have been invented unless the weapons were first. There go those moving goalposts again. Look at them fly! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/387 "2013-01-11T18:22:41Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > There go those moving goalposts again. Look at them fly! Are you arguing that a gun for target shooting isn’t a weapon? That it’s in the same category as a frying pan, or similar, something that can be used as a weapon in a pinch? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/388 "2013-01-11T18:40:06Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > In other words, you’ve got nothing. > > You won’t back up what your assertions. Because you can’t. Because they are fucking crazy. Eh ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/389 "2013-01-11T18:53:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Are you arguing that a gun for target shooting isn’t a weapon? That it’s in the same category as a frying pan, or similar, something that can be used as a weapon in a pinch? No. Let’s recap: I said this: “Pro-gun people recognize that guns are tools and that they have value other than just being evil death dealing scary things . . .” To which, **BrainGlutton** disagreed. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, that is their tool-value. The whole of it. What they were designed and made for. Now, this seems crazy to me. So I called him on it. "Let me get this straight. You think that the only reason that guns exist and that someone would own a gun is because they are “evil death dealing scary things”. Do I have that right?" Since this is obviously untrue, as there are millions of people who own guns that don’t ever deal death or scare people with them I figured he’d backpedal. But no. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Certainly. Because “evil death dealing scary thing” is just a hyperbolic phrase for “weapon.” Guns are weapons. It actually seems like his blind hatred for all things guns causes him to believe that the only reason that they exist and that someone would own one is killing and death. The idea that someone would just want to shoot trap cannot be conceived of by **Brainglutton**. This is silly, of course. In a moment of clarity he must have realized how silly it is, thus his new attempt of shifting the goalposts to “the reason the first gun was invented was as a weapon”, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/390 "2013-01-11T19:19:32Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Since this is obviously untrue, as there are millions of people who own guns that don’t ever deal death or scare people with them I figured he’d backpedal. But no. I am with you in general on this point, but this argument doesn’t work. There are millions of people who own fire extinguishers that don’t ever use them to put out fires. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/391 "2013-01-11T19:57:54Z")
The only problem I have with gun buy back programs is they generally don’t check serial numbers to determine if the guns were stolen or if they are connected to another crime. Police are then complicit in destroying evidence. If I had a gun stolen and reported it to police, and then it was turned in during a gun buyback and destroyed rather than returned to me, I’d be pretty upset. It’s also generally a waste of money with no efficacy but in this case it seems like it’s not using tax money other than time so that part seems moot. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/392 "2013-01-11T20:03:56Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The only problem I have with gun buy back programs is they generally don’t check serial numbers to determine if the guns were stolen or if they are connected to another crime. Police are then complicit in destroying evidence. If I had a gun stolen and reported it to police, and then it was turned in during a gun buyback and destroyed rather than returned to me, I’d be pretty upset. > > It’s also generally a waste of money with no efficacy but in this case it seems like it’s not using tax money other than time so that part seems moot. _Au contraire_ – News Stories generally report that the police do precisely this. With regard to the Tucson buyback that started this thread: > [@](#): > > TPD ran the serial numbers of the weapons to make sure they were not stolen or used in any crimes. A different person checked guns purchased through Antenori’s effort. > > The guns exchanged for the gift cards, that haven’t been used in crimes, have already been destroyed. > **[200 guns traded at Tucson buyback, 30 more sold in counter effort](https://tucson.com/news/local/tucson-s-first-gun-buyback-goes-to-opposition-effort/article_b5c7b8c6-59ac-11e2-94d1-0019bb2963f4.html)** > > About 200 guns were turned over in exchange for grocery store gift cards at this morning’s gun buyback event. So it looks as if NRA efforts to stop destruction is trying to prevent a _fait accompli_ – CalMeacham, who managed to use two French phrases in one post. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/393 "2013-01-11T20:15:09Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The only problem I have with gun buy back programs is they generally don’t check serial numbers to determine if the guns were stolen or if they are connected to another crime. I think that is the exception, rather than the rule. Most police departments [do check serial numbers.](https://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&biw=1066&bih=511&tbm=nws&q=gun+buyback+%22serial+number%22&oq=gun+buyback+%22serial+number%22&gs_l=serp.12...11512.15335.0.17766.11.11.0.0.0.0.78.778.11.11.0...0.0...1c.1.BAZFuXBqLT0) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/394 "2013-01-11T20:47:21Z")
I was mistaken, if stolen guns are returned, then that seems fine. Though I’d want the person turning in the stolen gun to be questioned on how the acquired it - that part seems missing with the no questions asked method. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/395 "2013-01-11T21:07:57Z")
So how does that work? These are supposed to be “no questions asked” gun returns. If you murder someone with a pistol and then go and hand in said pistol during a buy back program, can they use it in the investigation against you? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/396 "2013-01-11T23:01:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I am with you in general on this point, but this argument doesn’t work. There are millions of people who own fire extinguishers that don’t ever use them to put out fires. That’s a good comparison. People own fire extinguishers for peace of mind, hoping they’ll never have to use them. The same reason a lot of people own guns. I wonder if the anti-gun idiots here would call fire extinguisher owners cowards for not wanting to fight fire on equal terms? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/397 "2013-01-11T23:10:03Z")
And there are so many murders, suicides, and accidental fire extinguisher deaths in this county, that makes the analogy even _more_ apt. Well, I’m off to the fire-extinguisher range. Talk to you later. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/398 "2013-01-11T23:39:41Z")
You certainly should learn to use one properly, and not mess about with one so as not to risk injuring people. Tgat was your point, I assume? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/399 "2013-01-11T23:52:12Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You certainly should learn to use one properly, and not mess about with one so as not to risk injuring people. Tgat was your point, I assume? I think his point was that your analogy was kinda shitty. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623/400 "2013-01-12T00:22:35Z")
I wonder what would happen if some non-profit group or church did this with donated gift cards? What could the NRA do? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-to-sue-arizona-over-destroying-buyback-guns/646623.md?page=21)