# Nuclear deal with Iran **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128 "2015-07-14T11:37:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1021 "2015-09-06T15:21:18Z")
Honesty has nothing to do with what kind of degree or training someone has. As for the latest news about the deal, Debbie Wasserman Shultz announced her support. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1022 "2015-09-06T16:36:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As for the latest news about the deal, Debbie Wasserman Shultz announced her support. **Terr** , if you’re still here, read [this article](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/us/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-debbie-wasserman-schultz.html) about Shultz’s thought process in making her decision. She says that the decision was extremely difficult for her, that it would be “based on my Jewish heart,” and that “There’s nothing more important to me as a Jew than to ensure that Israel’s existence is there throughout our generations.” Yet, she came out in favor of the deal. So hopefully you can see, as everyone else does, that it’s possible to question a Jew’s objectivity on this issue, without questioning his patriotism. Unfortunately, coming up with the “wrong” decision also leaves her open to questions about her Jewish heart. As the article notes, “A protester outside her office recently screamed that ‘Wasserman Schultz should go to the ovens’ on the assumption that she would support the agreement.” The assumption, not even the fact. Evidently Gentiles do not hold a monopoly on bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1023 "2015-09-06T16:39:07Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > **Terr** , if you’re still here, read [this article](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/us/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-debbie-wasserman-schultz.html) about Shultz’s thought process in making her decision. She says that the decision was extremely difficult for her, that it would be “based on my Jewish heart,” and that “There’s nothing more important to me as a Jew than to ensure that Israel’s existence is there throughout our generations.” Yet, she came out in favor of the deal. Yes. She put being a Democrat above her “Jewish heart”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1024 "2015-09-06T16:40:17Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes. She put being a Democrat above her “Jewish heart”. She says both were consistent. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1025 "2015-09-06T16:58:58Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes. She put being a Democrat above her “Jewish heart”. Please submit your Certificate of Telepathy for our inspection. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1026 "2015-09-06T17:24:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Please submit your Certificate of Telepathy for our inspection. He’s a Doper conservative – they seem to have extremely heightened mind-reading abilities. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1027 "2015-09-06T17:59:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes. She put being a Democrat above her “Jewish heart”. So now it’s you who is questioning her patriotism. I take the enlightened view that she put her country ahead of both her politics and her religion. ---
**Author:** ![Hiker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3be4f8/32.png) [@Hiker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiker)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1028 "2015-09-06T18:19:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Please submit your Certificate of Telepathy for our inspection. He cannot. I revoked that today when in another thread he attempted to read my mind and failed miserably. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1029 "2015-09-06T18:19:35Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > So now it’s you who is questioning her patriotism. Where did I question her patriotism? > [@](#): > > I take the enlightened view that she put her country ahead of both her politics and her religion. No, she put her politics ahead of her “Jewish heart”. Quite obviously. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1030 "2015-09-06T18:49:40Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Where did I question her patriotism? > No, she put her politics ahead of her “Jewish heart”. Quite obviously. See, you just did it AGAIN!! You berated **Trinopus** , and [you even called him disgusting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18639281&postcount=915), for allegedly questioning the patriotism of the Jewish hearts of the rabbis against the deal. It follows that you believe Jewish hearts to be exceptionally patriotic, and that any allegation that someone puts politics ahead of her Jewish heart is questioning her patriotism. Which is disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1031 "2015-09-06T19:17:06Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Where did I question her patriotism? > No, she put her politics ahead of her “Jewish heart”. Quite obviously. Are you saying that it’s impossible to support the deal and be “true” to one’s “Jewish heart”? Are Israelis and all other Jews (like myself) who support this deal betraying our “Jewish heart”? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1032 "2015-09-06T19:57:31Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > See, you just did it AGAIN!! Nope. Democrat politics does not equal patriotism. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1033 "2015-09-06T20:00:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Are you saying that it’s impossible to support the deal and be “true” to one’s “Jewish heart”? It is possible (if mistaken). It is a bit suspicious that the Jews that support the deal are all Democrat. Coincidence? I think not. I have a feeling that if the deal was reached by a Republican president (however unlikely that is), those Jewish Democrats would have, correctly, followed their “Jewish heart” and rejected the deal, since they would not have had the Democrat politics contradicting it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1034 "2015-09-06T20:02:19Z")
Oh, you have a feeling! Well, OK, then. Certainly settles _that_! ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1035 "2015-09-06T20:09:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It is possible (if mistaken). It is a bit suspicious that the Jews that support the deal are all Democrat. Coincidence? I think not. Yes, it’s VERY suspicious that Republicans don’t like something Obama did. Totally unprecedented. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1036 "2015-09-06T22:54:19Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I have a feeling that if the deal was reached by a Republican president (however unlikely that is), those Jewish Democrats would have, correctly, followed their “Jewish heart” and rejected the deal, since they would not have had the Democrat politics contradicting it. I’m pretty sure your mind-reading ability of Congressional Democrats is as bad as your mind-reading ability of Dopers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1037 "2015-09-06T23:12:44Z")
Be pretty smutty, actually. Plus a lot of really bad jokes. But that’s just me, rest of you guys are much more refined. Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1038 "2015-09-07T04:10:50Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Yeah, Trump’s six bankruptcies prove that his word is his bond. I’m no fan - far from it - but Wiki says four, not six, of Trump’s businesses have gone bankrupt. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1039 "2015-09-07T06:09:41Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Yes, it’s VERY suspicious that Republicans don’t like something Obama did. Totally unprecedented. Terr is in a bit of a pickle. He gets outraged when people assume American Jews have some loyalty to Israel. The problem is he thinks they all SHOULD have loyalty to Israel. Well, it would be a problem if it slowed him down in the slightest. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1040 "2015-09-08T16:10:45Z")
Supporters of the deal now have [41 Senators](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/14/whip-count-where-the-senate-stands-on-the-iran-deal/)– this may not even get to the President’s desk to require a veto. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128.md?page=53)