# Nuclear deal with Iran **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128 "2015-07-14T11:37:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1061 "2015-09-08T22:39:33Z")
Do you think she needs a primary challenger? She’s always been pretty far left. Might as well challenge Liz Warren while you’re at it. Sorry, but I do believe that a good portion of the Democratic activist base co-exists rather uneasily with Jews due to disagreement over the Israel issue. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1062 "2015-09-08T22:42:35Z")
Do you need to have the premises of coalition politics explained to you again? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1063 "2015-09-08T22:43:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Do you think she needs a primary challenger? She’s always been pretty far left. Might as well challenge Liz Warren while you’re at it. How about a cite for this? My recollection is that she’s mainstream to right-leaning for a Democratic Congresswoman. > [@](#): > > Sorry, but I do believe that a good portion of the Democratic activist base co-exists rather uneasily with Jews due to disagreement over the Israel issue. You believe all sorts of weird things about Democrats. You’re not a mind reader, and your instincts about what Democrats actually believe are terrible. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1064 "2015-09-08T22:52:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Ah, you’re picking Jews to avoid bad appearances? Yes, I am the power behind Florida politics. Nobody wins office unless I approve it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1065 "2015-09-08T22:58:06Z")
Have faith. If the Dem candidate bothers some Jews being insufficiently loyal to Israel, the Pubbies will nominate somebody from StormFront. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1066 "2015-09-09T00:04:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You believe all sorts of weird things about Democrats. You’re not a mind reader, and your instincts about what Democrats actually believe are terrible. Okay, so I will not notice Jewish Democrats being disproportionately targeted for primary challenges because there is no issue. Thanks for that reassurance. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1067 "2015-09-09T00:07:23Z")
You may, but that doesn’t mean it happened. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1068 "2015-09-09T00:10:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Okay, so I will not notice Jewish Democrats being disproportionately targeted for primary challenges because there is no issue. Thanks for that reassurance. The post I criticized was the one you made implying that many Democrats don’t like Jews. That’s not nearly the same thing as Democratic primaries. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1069 "2015-09-09T00:12:57Z")
Actually, I just pointed out that the Democratic base is divided on Israel and that they co-exist with Jews uneasily. Issues like this tend to bring the knives out, much as it did during the Iraq war when Joe Lieberman was singled out and Clinton and Biden left alone. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1070 "2015-09-09T00:38:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, I just pointed out that the Democratic base is divided on Israel and that they co-exist with Jews uneasily. Issues like this tend to bring the knives out, much as it did during the Iraq war when Joe Lieberman was singled out and Clinton and Biden left alone. Knives? What exactly do you think is going on? Are you claiming that the DNC is trying to oust Schultz because she’s Jewish? Do you really think that any primary challenge she faces must be part of a plot by the Democratic Establishment? Do you really think that in a state the size of Florida, there is nobody who would just like to be elected to Congress, and who thinks that Schultz’s very public internal conflict gives him that opportunity? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1071 "2015-09-09T00:45:46Z")
The DNC never ousts incumbents. I’m talking about the grassroots, which doesn’t actually have to conceal their problem with “Zionists”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1072 "2015-09-09T00:54:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, I just pointed out that the Democratic base is divided on Israel and that they co-exist with Jews uneasily. Issues like this tend to bring the knives out, much as it did during the Iraq war when Joe Lieberman was singled out and Clinton and Biden left alone. Lieberman wasn’t “singled out” (i.e. persona non grata among Democrats) until he started opposing his own party’s nominee. You’re full of shit about what Democrats believe, as usual. Democrats “co-exist” just fine with Jews. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1073 "2015-09-09T00:57:33Z")
Yeah, its easier to get along with people who really hate to argue. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1074 "2015-09-09T01:16:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The DNC never ousts incumbents. I’m talking about the grassroots, which doesn’t actually have to conceal their problem with “Zionists”. Aha. So the Dem grass roots has an _unconcealed_ problem with Zionists, while the Dem establishment’s problem is concealed. So I guess your point is, Democrat = Antisemite? And all those Dem congressmen are what, self-hating Jews? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1075 "2015-09-09T11:40:58Z")
All the Senators have now announced their support or opposition (Cantwell was the last – she’s for the deal). 42 for the deal, 58 against. The deal will go through, and any disapproval may well be filibustered (depending on whether 2 or more Democrats decide to vote for cloture even though they would uphold a veto). ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1076 "2015-09-09T16:05:28Z")
The deadline to vote was something like 9/20 right? Does the treaty get signed right after that or are there more procedures to go through? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1077 "2015-09-09T16:09:49Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > The deadline to vote was something like 9/20 right? Does the treaty get signed right after that or are there more procedures to go through? Ix-nay on the eaty-try!! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1078 "2015-09-09T17:12:50Z")
Interesting. There’s a faction of Republicans in the House who now do not want to vote on the resolution of disapproval for the Iran deal. There appear to be a significant number of Republicans who do not want to vote to disapprove the deal now – they want the Administration to provide the IAEA’s agreement with Iran (an agreement to which the US isn’t a party, for better or for worse) before considering whether to vote down the agreement. So, the House would certainly vote to sink the deal, but those who are most fired up against the deal… just don’t want to hold that vote? Does this make a lick of sense to anyone? > **[House Republicans revolt against Iran vote](https://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/iran-deal-house-republican-revolt-213437)** > > House Republican leaders are facing a major rank-and-file uprising over plans to vote on a resolution to disapprove of the Iran nuclear deal. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1079 "2015-09-09T17:22:02Z")
They’re losing. If they can raise the level of hysteria about the “side deals”, perhaps they can win. Maybe, just maybe, they can scare enough Dems so that they could say “Well, we were reluctantly OK with The Deal, but we can’t handle the Side Deal.” All they are saying is give war a chance! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1080 "2015-09-09T17:33:32Z")
Does the G5+1 deal incorporate the terms of the IAEA deal or something? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128.md?page=55)