# Nuclear deal with Iran **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128 "2015-07-14T11:37:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1261 "2018-05-12T23:47:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Huh? What does this have to do with anything? If you don’t want to reduce the chances of Iran getting a nuclear weapon, that’s your affair. But you asked a question, and I answered – we engaged in diplomacy to try and reduce the chances of Iran acquiring nukes, and it was working, and Trump made a decision to increase Iran’s chances of getting nukes, anger our European allies, weaken America, with nothing gained in return. NO. What is wrong with these people, that they routinely shout “Death to America”, on the streets, and even in their parliament? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1262 "2018-05-12T23:49:22Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > NO. What is wrong with these people, that they routinely shout “Death to America”, on the streets, and even in their parliament? If you want to start a thread on the disturbing nihilism of a powerful faction in Iranian politics, feel free, but that doesn’t actually have much to do with attempts to reduce the likelihood of Iran (and those powerful and nihilistic politicians) gaining a nuclear weapon. You appear to be in favor of increasing the likelihood of Iran obtaining nukes, all in the name of some strange principle that the US has never held to historically anyway. I think that’s extremely foolish, and in the real world, we sometimes negotiate with shitty people in order to improve US national security. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1263 "2018-05-13T00:02:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Have you ever seen or heard of Americans shouting “Death to Iran”, “Death to China”, or “Death to Russia”? :dubious: Why? Is the US an autocratic state with extreme religious overtones in it political discourse? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1264 "2018-05-13T00:03:06Z")
Negotiating with terrorists is NEVER a good idea. Do you disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1265 "2018-05-13T00:03:59Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Why? Is the US an autocratic state with extreme religious overtones in it political discourse? Um, yes? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1266 "2018-05-13T00:06:13Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Negotiating with terrorists is NEVER a good idea. Do you disagree? I certainly disagree with such a blanket statement. We’ve done it many times before. Trump is getting ready to do it again with North Korea, and while I don’t expect it to go well, I hope it does. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1267 "2018-05-13T00:18:15Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Negotiating with terrorists is NEVER a good idea. Do you disagree? Classic black and white world view. Unfortunately, the world is really billions of shades in between. So, in other words, you’re in favor of bombing Iran, right? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1268 "2018-05-13T00:20:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I certainly disagree with such a blanket statement. I’m glad you’re not an elected official, then. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1269 "2018-05-13T00:37:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’m glad you’re not an elected official, then. Trump is, though, and he’s been negotiating with terrorists for months, and is getting ready for the culmination of these negotiations in Singapore. Do you support Trump? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1270 "2018-05-13T00:42:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trump is, though, and he’s been negotiating with terrorists for months, and is getting ready for the culmination of these negotiations in Singapore. Do you think negotiating with terrorists is a good idea? Yes, or no, please. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1271 "2018-05-13T00:44:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Do you think negotiating with terrorists is a good idea? Yes, or no, please. It depends. Sometimes it’s a good idea, sometimes it’s a bad idea. In the real world, diplomacy and foreign policy is complicated. I answered your question. Will you answer mine? Do you support Trump’s negotiations with terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1272 "2018-05-13T00:50:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It depends. Sometimes it’s a good idea, sometimes it’s a bad idea. In the real world, diplomacy and foreign policy is complicated. > > I answered your question. Will you answer mine? Do you support Trump’s negotiations with terrorists? No, it’s never a good idea. Also, North Korea is no where near Iran in terms of terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1273 "2018-05-13T00:50:59Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, it’s never a good idea. Also, North Korea is no where near Iran in terms of terrorism. So you think there are shades of grey within terrorism? Some terrorists aren’t so bad as others? And if you’re so critical of negotiating with terrorists, why are you focusing on something from years ago that’s over, instead of the ongoing negotiations with terrorists of our current administration? There’ve been plenty of threads about Trump’s ongoing negotiations with terrorists, and I don’t recall you coming in and railing against negotiating with terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1274 "2018-05-13T00:57:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So you think there are shades of grey within terrorism? Some terrorists aren’t so bad as others? And if you’re so critical of negotiating with terrorists, why are you focusing on something from years ago that’s over, instead of the ongoing negotiations with terrorists of our current administration? There’ve been plenty of threads about Trump’s ongoing negotiations with terrorists, and I don’t recall you coming in and railing against negotiating with terrorists. What have these alleged North Korean terrorists done in, say, the last five years? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1275 "2018-05-13T01:01:39Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What have these alleged North Korean terrorists done in, say, the last five years? So now they’re just “alleged”, even though they’re on the US State Department’s state sponsors of terrorism list? I guess you’ve answered your own question about when it’s okay to negotiate with terrorists – when they’re at that acceptably low level of terrorism that **D’Anconia** deems not too bad. You’re okay with negotiating with terrorists, but they just have to be the right kind of terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1276 "2018-05-13T01:04:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So now they’re just “alleged”, even though they’re on the US State Department’s state sponsors of terrorism list? > > I guess you’ve answered your own question about when it’s okay to negotiate with terrorists – when they’re at that acceptably low level of terrorism that **D’Anconia** deems not too bad. It’s NEVER ok to negotiate with terrorists. Full stop. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1277 "2018-05-13T01:06:47Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s NEVER ok to negotiate with terrorists. Full stop. And yet you’ve failed to criticize Trump for doing so in those other threads, while being happy to criticize a done and over with negotiation from Obama. I wonder why that could be? Any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1278 "2018-05-13T01:41:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > NO. What is wrong with these people, that they routinely shout “Death to America”, on the streets, and even in their parliament? Sounds like they don’t like countries that overthrow their government and install a dictator; support another dictator who uses WMDs against them; and shoot down their civilian airliners, killing all aboard. To name three. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1279 "2018-05-13T01:54:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It’s NEVER ok to negotiate with terrorists. Full stop. Negotiations led to the release of the 52 hostages taken from the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979. Negotiations also led to the release of 102 hostages held by Hizbollah in 1982 on. Negotiations also led to the Good Friday Peace Accords between the UK and the IRA. If it were up to you, you’d wouldn’t pursue the release of those hostages, and you’d rather have a continuing conflict in Northern Ireland? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128/1280 "2018-05-13T02:44:19Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > That’s at least one thing President Bush got right. You don’t negotiate with terrorists. By the way… > [@](#): > > Nine years ago, President George W. Bush agreed to join Europeans at the negotiating table with Iran. At the time, the conditions were that Iran must suspend uranium activities for talks to engage about halting its nuclear program in exchange for economic and political benefits. > > “It’s conceptually a deep irony because this diplomatic outreach was originally designed and engineered by President Bush,” said Philip Zelikow, a University of Virginia professor who was a deputy to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in Mr. Bush’s administration. [https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/16/george-w-bush-helped-put-u-s-on-path-to-talks-with-iran/](https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/16/george-w-bush-helped-put-u-s-on-path-to-talks-with-iran/) And Israel? > **[Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange)** > > The Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (Hebrew: עסקת שליט; Arabic: صفقة شاليط), also known as Wafa al-Ahrar (Arabic: وفاء الأحرار) ("Faithful to the free"), followed a 2011 agreement between Israel and Hamas to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners — almost all Palestinians and Arab-Israelis, although there were also a Ukrainian, a Jordanian and a Syrian. Two hundred and eighty of these had been sentenced to life in prison for planning and perpetrating vario Hamas mil... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-deal-with-iran/725128.md?page=65)