Tell me, just how credible to you think Iran is? Do you think they are trustworthy? If so, please share how you come to that conclusion.
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sleestak’s interpretation of Ravenman’s position as applied to the one that Hillary took was not on point. The key part is “enthusiastic support” which was omitted in sleestak’s interpretation as that would not be a fair characterization of Hillary’s support of the 2003 vote.
If they were trustworthy, the negotiations would be simpler. Would also be easier if they didn’t mistrust us. But ain’t so. Which means that those people who struggle to put together a deal that will avoid war take on a vexing, exhausting, thankless task. There are such people on both sides of this.
Such people are the best of us, and the rest of us are the problem they hope to solve.
I like that “snapback” happens simply by the US accusing Iran. Since all 5 members of the Security Council would have to agree that Iran is not cheating to avoid snapback, the burden of proof is on Iran and its allies to prove Iran is complying if the US has suspicions.
America is a problem that Iran how repeatedly said it would lie to solve by bringing death to all of us. After Israel, of course. And now they have an easier road to acquiring the means to carry out their desires.
Who knew that Kerry would find a way to further damage the U.S., but find it he did.
I’m consistently amazed how liberals are so happy to see Israel get fucked. I guess being surrounded but countries that want to erase you from the face of the earth isn’t enough.
And some idiots will believe the “proof” then the same way they are so quick to believe Iran now.
In the meantime, Iran will have benefitted from all that time of having no sanctions and moving their nuclear program forward surreptitiously.
Your position doesn’t appear bear any relation to the universe we live in. Maybe you intended it for some parallel universe or pocket dimension?
I think Magellan has a good point. But I’m also inclined to let Presidents have their head when they have a grand idea that has a chance of working. I was prepared to slag the President if the deal was horrible, but it’s not too horrible and he bears 100% of the risks involved. If Iranian terrorist groups attack American targets with the new money they’ll be flush with, that’s on him. If Iran develops a nuke anyway, that’s on him. If Iran cheats and sanctions snapback doesn’t happen or is ineffective, that’s on him.
But if Iran sticks to the deal, or even better Iran becomes a more responsible, more democratic country due to being more prosperous and having better relations with the outside world, that’s on him too.
No, he really doesn’t. Reread his post. It’s utter nonsense.
No, it was intended for intelligent humans here on earth. Feel free to disregard.
So, just because you don’t understand something (or probably more honestly, don’t agree with it), you are omniscient enough to know that another poster’s take on what I wrote is wrong…that his understanding must align with yours or else HE is wrong. Not you. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: You’re an odd fellow, indeed.
No, I don’t trust them. That’s why inspections and the threat of snapping sanctions back is necessary.
The bigger problem is that he omits several caveats that are right there in black and white.
I said, if A and B, the result is probably C. He thinks I said, if B then C. The two propositions aren’t the same.
Obviously many of us (and many of Netanyahu’s critics in Israel, it turns out) believe that this deal strengthens Israel’s position and makes them safer, even if Netanyahu disagrees.
Really? Because you wrote:
Which is word-salad goofy. And if accepted, would color any agreement whatsoever as null and void.
Then you said:
He’s a war hero and you honestly think he’s trying to hurt the US? That’s hyperbolic beyond any reason. Seeing a conspiracy theory like that comment suggests that it wasn’t intended to be taken seriously.
Then you said:
Which suggests you literally think US liberals want Israel to “get fucked” presumably by a nuclear weapon. That the assertion is offensive and hardly worth commenting on.
No, your post wasn’t meant for intelligent folk as a description of the issues involved. It was a seething utterance with little regard for the facts and reality of the situation.
This agreement is not a win-win for everyone. Israel understands its security needs better than the US. The agreement is a risk, and if it’s the wrong move, Israel pays more dearly than we or any of the other 5+1 powers do. We placed a bet and put Israel in the pot. Let’s hope it’s a good bet.
Attacking Iran would be a much worse bet.
How? They will eliminate the vast majority of their centerfuges and uranium. They will be subject to inspections that are not occurring today. The uranium mines they have will be subject to continuous monitoring, which doesn’t happen today.
How does Iran get closer to the bomb by eliminating most of its fuel, most of its enrichment technology, inspections of its nuclear sites, and monitoring of its only source of uranium?
Keep in mind that no deal means that it keeps all its low enriched uranium, keeps and modernizes its enrichment capacity, denies any new inspections, and has its uranium production unchecked by anyone. What, in your view, makes this latter scenario preferable to the former?
Hahahahahahaha. Wow, I bet he even has some Purple Hearts, huh? Maybe a bunch! “Scratches do to count!!” Kerry’s a loathsome human-like figure whose assholeness is only dwarfed but the high opinion he has of himself.
Translation: you disagree with it.:rolleyes:
Oh, sorry a couple of little typos caused you so much confusion, but here’s the corrected version so you can benefit from the wisdom it contains:
“America is a problem that Iran has repeatedly said it would like to solve by bringing death to all of us. After Israel, of course. And now they have an easier road to acquiring the means to carry out their desires.”
So you literally do think he sat there and said, “How can I hurt the US with this deal… I could push for a better agreement, but you know, we just don’t deserve it.” And then, he, I presume, twirled a long set of mustaches that only you can see.
He’s a war hero, get over it. Support the troops.
I disagree with utter partisan drivel asserted as truth. You said, liberals, a group that includes me, want Israel to be nuked. That’s not true. It’s a false thing. I don’t even want Texas to be nuked. 
It’s still nonsense. Just better spelled.
Because I believe them when they say that they want to destroy Israel and America. If that was you’re goal, do you think you’d be tripped up by lying? Iran is a big country. We cannot go where we want when we want to inspect. And do you think that Iran at this very moment has no place where they will continue work surreptitiously? What was working was the sanctions. We should have dialed them up, not down.
Also, this really isolates Israel, especially should they feel the need to act against Iran. Like I said, I’m repeatedly amazed how people are so content to fuck over Israel. As if it’s not enough to be a tiny country surrounded by those who thing you should be obliterated from the face of the earth.