For my clarity, other than political considerations, there’s never been anything even close to official, either domestically or internationally, keeping previous presidents from doing something like this, right?
This certainly puts the kibosh on all that derp-state propaganda about helping Russia! Because Russia doesn’t sell oil! Well, OK, a little. A few barrels. Few million barrels. Nothing to see here, quit looking!
Backing out of a deal like this? Not really.
This deal was made only by the executive, was not passed by the senate, and in fact, barely squeaked by having congress not allow the deal at all.
If it were more properly done, then it would have been ratified by the senate, in which case, the executive no longer has the ability to back out. Unfortunately, at the time (and still) the senate was non-functional, so was unable to do anything of the sort.
Republicans, 2018: “It is proper procedure to have an international agreement voted on by the full Senate!”
Republicans, 2016: “You can’t make us vote on Merrick Garland.”
I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the thrust of the argument. It’s not that “it is proper procedure”, it’s that it would have made the agreement more durable. Similar to how a president’s recess appointment are temporary, and they’re more lasting if they get the approval of the Senate. I haven’t seen anyone in this thread claim Obama didn’t have power to enter into an agreement with Iran, just that doing it as an executive-only agreement put it at the mercy of the whims of subsequent presidents.
Right. So it’s Obama’s fault that Trump withdrew from the agreement.
Not even remotely close to what I said.
Technically, since the president has the direct command of our nuclear arsenal, not having a nuclear apocalypse is at the mercy of the whims of subsequent presidents.
Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
More like it’s the fault of Tom Cotton and other US Senators.
Well, when we die in a nuclear apocalypse, it will be Obama’s fault for not ensuring there are laws limiting the President’s direct command of our nuclear arsenal.
You’re really stuck on this “Obama’s fault” thing. I don’t think anyone has said it but you.
Just remember you owe me those beans.
So, who’s fault is is that the Iran deal was not passed by the senate?
OK, you and Salon have said it :rolleyes:
Well, Trump blames everything bad on Obama and Hillary. Everything good is his doing. I’m not sure why manson1972 should be blamed for Trump’s childish assignment of credit/blame.
Hardly. The right has criticized the Obama administration for entering this deal since the very beginning. Thus, it’s Obama’s fault (!) that this administration (and the US) had no choice but to pull out of this deal.
Learn why many Dopers do not view you as completely ingenuous.
Trump said
“The fact is, this was a horrible one-sided deal that should have never ever been made … [it was a] great embarrassment to me as a citizen and to all citizens of the United States.”
You deny that he was referring to Obama. Was he talking about James Monroe? Michael Avenatti? Elmer Fudd?
Khamenei has expressed distrust in Germany, the U.K. and France, as has the lieutenant commander of the IRGC. The idea is that, for all their protesting, these countries are likely to fold under American pressure. This dude agrees. I guess we’ll see.
As pointed out by others in this thread, Russia may profit indirectly, through raised oil prices.
Meanwhile, China is apparently expected - at least in some quarters - to be the big winner here, stepping in to fill whatever vacuums may now appear.
After all, they have before:
It won’t be entirely painless - more Chinese firms may well go the way of ZTE Corp, a telecom equipment maker which ran afoul of the American embargo on Iran, “received a seven year ban on US companies selling it components and software,” and is likely to face bankruptcy as a result.
However, this article argues that the Chinese will probably forge on anyway, since…
Economics aside, the Iranians are said to currently be concentrating on “winning the international blame game.” Not too much of a challenge, I imagine.
The cool thing about statements like “I don’t think anyone has said it but you” is that they are so easily disproved simply by one example. Perhaps you should stop making statements like that.
Yes, I thought it was obvious that I was talking in the context of Dopers in this thread, but next time I’ll be sure to state that explicitly.