# Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla NOOOO!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2011, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389 "2011-03-12T08:19:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1001 "2011-03-25T05:48:06Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > 15 MW capacity being developed in Spain. [http://inhabitat.com/spain-to-build-worlds-largest-wind-turbine/](http://inhabitat.com/spain-to-build-worlds-largest-wind-turbine/) It is for offshore. **70 percent of the world’s real estate is offshore.** > [@FXMastermind](#): > > **Actually my response is to put solar and wind on top of every building.** This eliminates the expense and loss due to big old transmission lines. Sure the sun doesn’t shine all the time, nor the wind blow, but every little bit helps. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > **One day wind and solar will be so abundant that it won’t pay to meter them.** Bolding mine in all cases. I think i’m going to have to bow out of this thread. I’m not sure if it’s me, or you guys, but i truly can no longer tell whether people are making serious arguments in this thread or simply making intentionally outrageous statements for the sake of eliciting a reaction. This could simply be a failure of intelligence on my part, but i have to stop arguing as if the whole thing is being taken seriously, because i’m not quite sure if i’m being played for a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1002 "2011-03-25T06:56:21Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Bolding mine in all cases. > > I think i’m going to have to bow out of this thread. I’m not sure if it’s me, or you guys, but i truly can no longer tell whether people are making serious arguments in this thread or simply making intentionally outrageous statements for the sake of eliciting a reaction. > > This could simply be a failure of intelligence on my part, but i have to stop arguing as if the whole thing is being taken seriously, because i’m not quite sure if i’m being played for a fool. I did not read back but you cited **FXMastermind** and he is just a Troll (yes, capital “T” troll…that or he is the worst of the worst knee-jerk, “I can’t hear what you say…La LA LA” types). If he is not a Troll I can only guess he is actually phobic about nuclear power. Ignore him till he gets a clue, pays attention to what others have said and responds with coherent, on topic posts. So far all you get is Chicken Little “sky is falling” crap. Worthless bunk. I am surprised at **Sam Stone** suggesting 70% of real estate is off shore which, while strictly true, does not tell us how he supposes we’d build shit in the middle of the Pacific in 14,000 feet of water (or 10,000 feet or so for the Atlantic if he prefers). ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1003 "2011-03-25T07:37:53Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I am surprised at **Sam Stone** suggesting 70% of real estate is off shore which, while strictly true, does not tell us how he supposes we’d build shit in the middle of the Pacific in 14,000 feet of water (or 10,000 feet or so for the Atlantic if he prefers). Yeah, that surprises me too, since I never said it. Why you’d even think I said it, since I’m on the opposite side of these guys, baffles me. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1004 "2011-03-25T11:28:06Z")
> **[Japanese nuclear officials fear crack in reactor core](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/25/japanese-nuclear-fear-crack-reactor-core)** > > Possible damage at Fukushima nuclear power plant could cause leak of high levels of radiation I wonder how long they are going to keep this up. The “we can’t tell” or “we don’t know yet” bullshit is going to get old eventually, even with the nuclear supporters. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1005 "2011-03-25T11:35:24Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > This could simply be a failure of intelligence on my part, but i have to stop arguing as if the whole thing is being taken seriously, because i’m not quite sure if i’m being played for a fool. I know just how you feel. When I read somebody saying “this proves how safe nuclear energy is”, and they are talking about the current crisis and disaster at Fuku well I think they are fucking with us. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1006 "2011-03-25T11:36:43Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [Japanese nuclear officials fear crack in reactor core | Japan disaster | The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/25/japanese-nuclear-fear-crack-reactor-core) > > I wonder how long they are going to keep this up. The “we can’t tell” or “we don’t know yet” bullshit is going to get old eventually, even with the nuclear supporters. Since they are not able to satisfy you, you should hop on a plane and go look for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1007 "2011-03-25T11:46:07Z")
Hey! That’s what I suggested the moonbats still claiming nuclear power is safe do! Go to Japan and right outside the 20 km zone stage a support rally. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1008 "2011-03-25T11:47:14Z")
A real problem is the Japanese culture itself. They hate giving bad news. Then there is the leaking plutonium reactor, and the damaged fuel rods in the wreckage of what used to be a reactor building. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1009 "2011-03-25T12:14:05Z")
[http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-25/reactor-core-may-be-breached-at-damaged-fukushima-plant.html](http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-25/reactor-core-may-be-breached-at-damaged-fukushima-plant.html) They are in such a fucking quandary at this point. Either the core is breached, or the fuel rod pool is leaking, or both. But they can’t keep saying “we are not sure” much longer. Of course anyone with a working brain can look at the diagram of the reactor building, pictures of building 3, and go, “What the fuck man? You are still saying you don’t fucking know?” Maybe they could put a camera on a long pole and have a look inside. Oh wait, radiation levels are too high. I wonder what the fuck could be causing that? ---
**Author:** ![KinkiNipponTourist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9bcb4/32.png) [@KinkiNipponTourist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KinkiNipponTourist)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1010 "2011-03-25T12:26:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > A real problem is the Japanese culture itself. They hate giving bad news. Then there is the leaking plutonium reactor, and the damaged fuel rods in the wreckage of what used to be a reactor building. Wow! Not only a nuclear power plant expert but also well-acquainted with Japanese culture too? Is there anything you DON’T know? ⭕o ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1011 "2011-03-25T12:28:05Z")
Yes. I have no idea how to teach a pig to sing. And despite what they tell you, I think the pig sort of likes it. ---
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1012 "2011-03-25T12:45:30Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > … Germany’s feed-in tariff to subsidize its solar power program is a billion Euros a month, paid for by German taxpayers. That 12 billion Euros per year gets them 1% of their energy, which is all solar provides in Germany. And Germany is the undisputed leader in solar power in Europe. .. For 2009 (cite: [German-language Wikipedia](http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erneuerbare-Energien-Gesetz#Zahlen_zum_EEG)) it was € 4.7 billion per year, and that was for all renewably energy, not just for solar which is less than one tenth of renewable energy. So you are off by a factor of \> 20. Also the cost of feed-in tariffs is borne by energy consumers not taxpayers. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1013 "2011-03-25T13:02:11Z")
> [@Mops](#): > > . Also the cost of feed-in tariffs is borne by energy consumers not taxpayers. Man, all those taxpayers who aren’t using energy are making suckers out of the rest of em. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1014 "2011-03-25T13:32:31Z")
The word corium has been used in the latest report from IRSN ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1015 "2011-03-25T14:20:11Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The word corium has been used in the latest report from IRSN So what? That’s the layer of skin underneath the epidermis. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1016 "2011-03-25T14:43:19Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > So what? That’s the layer of skin underneath the epidermis. This is one definition, yes, but I think they may be referring to [molten reactor core material.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)) ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_Holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@Mycroft\_Holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_Holmes)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1017 "2011-03-25T14:48:55Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Spain’s heavy investment in alternative energy helped bankrupt them, and once the subsidies from the government stopped, those industries have collapsed. [/QUOTE] Wait, Spain is bankrupt? Since when? Man, we just got finished bailing out the Greeks, the Irish, the Portuguese and now the Spaniards too? Remind me to move to a country with a lot less debt, like the U.S. [QUOTE=Sam Stone] Germany’s heavy subsidy of solar power resulted in a lot of marginal installations, unfulfilled promises for energy savings, high taxes, and a lot of solar panels on roofs whose owners won’t be able afford maintenance or replacement. Germany’s feed-in tariff to subsidize its solar power program is a billion Euros a month, paid for by German taxpayers. That 12 billion Euros per year gets them 1% of their energy, which is all solar provides in Germany. And Germany is the undisputed leader in solar power in Europe. [/QUOTE] I live in Germany and my taxes have not gone up 1 cent. The energy I get delivered to my home (used for everything but central heating) is already 100% from renewable sources (so called “Grüner Strom”) and not more expensive than other energy. I think pretty soon the remaining nuclear plants in Germany will be shut down because the Green Party and the SPD will be winning a few elections. Especially now that a liberal party politician has come out and said that the current shutdown was just done to win votes: [Fallout continues after Brüderle’s nuclear gaffe](http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20110325-33965.html) ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1018 "2011-03-25T15:33:59Z")
The 2 workers rushed to the hospital after getting splashed with water in the plants were found to have received a dose 10,000 times the safe limit. That radiation has to come from somewhere. Since pro nukers insist the containment is intact, please explain where it came from. Perhaps the workers went out and got 40 million MRIs this morning. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1019 "2011-03-25T15:38:25Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The 2 workers rushed to the hospital after getting splashed with water in the plants were found to have received a dose 10,000 times the safe limit. That radiation has to come from somewhere. Since pro nukers insist the containment is intact, please explain where it came from. Perhaps the workers went out and got 40 million MRIs this morning. The news I’m reading is that the water was “10,000 times more radioactive than normal.” This is not at all the same thing as “workers received a dose 10,000 times the safe limit.” MRI’s do not subject patients to ionizing radiation; perhaps you were thinking of a CT scan. Got any facts? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1020 "2011-03-25T15:46:01Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Bolding mine in all cases. > > I think i’m going to have to bow out of this thread. I’m not sure if it’s me, or you guys, but i truly can no longer tell whether people are making serious arguments in this thread or simply making intentionally outrageous statements for the sake of eliciting a reaction. > > This could simply be a failure of intelligence on my part, but i have to stop arguing as if the whole thing is being taken seriously, because i’m not quite sure if i’m being played for a fool. This is a parody thread that strays into the serious. That should have been clear from the OP. The stuff about it being too abundant to meter is a parody of the old nuke line that nuclear power will be so available it will be too cheap to meter. As if. If you are done having fun, leave the thread. As for radiation levels, they are now more than half of Cernobyl levels. You may leave Soviet thread, but Soviet radiation follows you around the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=52)