# Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla NOOOO!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2011, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389 "2011-03-12T08:19:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1301 "2011-04-03T20:18:05Z")
So, according to your cite, they get 4,582 MW from coal plants from other states, they are only interested in getting rid of 439 MW coming from coal plants in the state. How many solar power plants would they need, generating how much power, and at what cost do you suppose? Say they built a bunch of solar thermal plants like are being built in Spain today, what would they cost, how much area would they take up, how many people would they provide power to, and what would the cost be? Not that I’m seeing the point of continuing to get over 4000 MW from coal plants in other states while piously getting rid of a few hundred MW of coal burning plants in their own state (assuming they manage to do it without, in the end, simply buying more out of state power). -XT ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1302 "2011-04-03T20:23:12Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Interesting. I did not know that. This thread still isn’t about coal. You’re fucking priceless. YOU made an inaccurate observation about coal in California, got called on it, and then complained that the person who pointed out your error was off-topic. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1303 "2011-04-03T20:24:33Z")
No, it’s true. This topic is not about coal, coal power plants, or how much you love nuclear power. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1304 "2011-04-03T20:25:49Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > No, it’s true. This topic is not about coal, coal power plants, or how much you love nuclear power. I think the topic might be how stupid and delusional you are. Well, you and TSS. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1305 "2011-04-03T20:27:13Z")
Because **Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla** is too subtle for you? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1306 "2011-04-03T20:28:26Z")
Thanks to real scientists releasing real science information, we actually do know a bit about what has happened so far in Japan. > [@](#): > > Thanks to the unfamiliar but sophisticated art of atomic forensics, experts around the world have been able to document the situation vividly. Over decades, they have become very good at illuminating the hidden workings of nuclear power plants from afar, turning scraps of information into detailed analyses. > > For example, an analysis by a French energy company revealed far more about the condition of the plant’s reactors than the Japanese have ever described: water levels at the reactor cores dropping by as much as three-quarters, and temperatures in those cores soaring to nearly 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hot enough to burn and melt the zirconium casings that protect the fuel rods. > > Scientists in Europe and America also know from observing the explosions of hydrogen gas at the plant that the nuclear fuel rods had heated to very dangerous levels, and from radioactive plumes how far the rods had disintegrated. [http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20110403/ZNYT03/104033010/-1/news?Title=From-Far-Labs-a-Vivid-Picture-Emerges-of-Japan-Crisis&tc=ar](http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20110403/ZNYT03/104033010/-1/news?Title=From-Far-Labs-a-Vivid-Picture-Emerges-of-Japan-Crisis&tc=ar) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1307 "2011-04-03T20:30:16Z")
I’m watching protest in Japan about how TEPCO and the Japanese Government have lost the trust of the ordinary people. They are figuring out that they are being fed lies, by idiots who have no plan at all. The fuck parade of clowns and fools continues. Bu it’s so bad that even CNN is starting to express some doubts about what TEPCO is telling them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1308 "2011-04-03T20:31:23Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Because **Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla** is too subtle for you? Well I gave not seen him (Her???) or Mothra or Gamera come out from the ocean so I’m still disappointed, I see just trolls that just project their trollery and ignorance into others that are actually checking the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1309 "2011-04-03T20:32:24Z")
The lack of evidence, data, information and measurements is actually a main part of this complete fuckbag of a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1310 "2011-04-03T20:34:51Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The lack of evidence, data, information and measurements is actually a main part of this complete fuckbag of a disaster. Nah, we can resolve who is not doing right by you answering a simple question: Do you admit now that the report of dangerous levels of Iodine 131 in rain water was alarmist claptrap? The source you used clearly misled many people by not reporting several items that were present in the actual Berkeley report. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1311 "2011-04-03T20:38:20Z")
The only thing worse than this fuckbag of a disaster, are the fuckbags who still want to say it isn’t _really_ a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1312 "2011-04-03T20:43:22Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The only thing worse than this fuckbag of a disaster, are the fuckbags who still want to say it isn’t _really_ a disaster. In other words, “I’m such a coward for not owning to my mistakes here and elsewhere”. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1313 "2011-04-03T20:49:41Z")
It’s obvious that the real issue, for the true nuclear denier, is that this might be DANGEROUS to other reactors. Four huge explosions, leaking radiation, a quarter of a million people displaced, the economy of a nation being trashed, no power generation from 10 reactors at two power plants, fear and uncertainty, none of that is the real problem. It’s what this MIGHT DO to other power plants. There’s the real danger. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1314 "2011-04-03T21:14:02Z")
[QUOTE=FXMastermind] It’s obvious that the real issue, for the true nuclear denier, is that this might be DANGEROUS to other reactors. Four huge explosions, leaking radiation, a quarter of a million people displaced, the economy of a nation being trashed, no power generation from 10 reactors at two power plants, fear and uncertainty, none of that is the real problem. [/QUOTE] You just toss out whatever bullshit you can, don’t you? The quarter of a million displaced? The majority of those were from the earthquake and tsunami, not from the evacuations because of concerns over radiation in the 20 km zone. The economy is being trashed in Japan not from this ‘nuclear disaster’, but from the ACTUAL disaster that hit them…the earthquake and tsunami. The 60-70 bodies that they found today, that you didn’t mention? None of them died from radiation…they died from THE FUCKING DISASTER THAT STRUCK JAPAN YOU FUCKING MORON! Those are the REAL problems. The nuclear aspect of all this is just a side show, comparatively speaking. But you can’t grasp that because, well, you are an idiot who likes to go all chicken-little, and you can’t comprehend that there is a bigger picture to all of this. -XT ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1315 "2011-04-03T22:22:48Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, probably because we are talking about having to build something like 100k+ wind turbines at 2-10 million dollars apiece (not counting infrastructure costs or any of that other stuff), and building hundreds of square miles of solar panels, and that even if you could get people to ALLOW you to build all that stuff where it’s optimal to do so, and even if you could FIND all the raw materials needed to build it all on those scales, how would you pay for it??? > > -XT Why it is so hard for you to grasp that people can and will build 100k plus 15MW turbines for offshore (and some onshore) use over the next century? Even at up to 10 million a pop? It is starting to happen and will continue to happen. What won’t happen is anymore nuclear plants in the US. Not a one. Why you can’t grasp that is obvious. You are extreme. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1316 "2011-04-03T22:38:06Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Yes, but rest assured there will be no errors in building or running nuclear plants. Because they are not subject to human error. It’s not like solar, which [never](http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9889848-54.html) impacts the environment or populace. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1317 "2011-04-03T22:51:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You’re fucking priceless. > > YOU made an inaccurate observation about coal in California, got called on it, and then complained that the person who pointed out your error was off-topic. That’s what makes us so different, I’ll admit when I’m wrong. And it isn’t a coal thread, it’s a trash nuclear thread. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1318 "2011-04-03T22:53:42Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > It’s not like solar, which [never](http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9889848-54.html) impacts the environment or populace. :rolleyes: If you like that, just wait 'til you see what China is going to do with its nuclear waste. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1319 "2011-04-03T22:56:26Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > It’s not like solar, which [never](http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9889848-54.html) impacts the environment or populace. :rolleyes: Yes, but that doesn’t kill anyone in the US, so it doesn’t matter. Only full fledged deaths matter, and then only if they occur in the US as a direct result of solar power generation. Should you actually find someone who was killed by a panel falling on them, I’ll weasel around and say that it could have been any object falling on them. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1320 "2011-04-03T23:01:20Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Should you actually find someone who was killed by a panel falling on them, I’ll weasel around and say that it could have been any object falling on them. Solar denier! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=67)