# Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla NOOOO!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2011, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389 "2011-03-12T08:19:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1501 "2011-04-12T01:26:58Z")
Fuck yeah, cause the real danger here is shit people type on a computer. That’s the important thing in all this. Oh, and how dangerous coal is. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1502 "2011-04-12T01:34:27Z")
[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42542906/ns/world\_news-asiapacific/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42542906/ns/world_news-asiapacific/) It’s over folks. The main stream media (MSM to us internet addicts) reports that Japan has given Fukushima, clusterfuck of the teens a perfect 7 out of 7 on the fucked up scale. Can we all lay down and die now? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1503 "2011-04-12T01:41:20Z")
Oh, it’s just alarmists media and nuclear haters. I’m sure everything will be fine. Relax. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1504 "2011-04-12T01:48:26Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Fuck yeah, cause the real danger here is shit people type on a computer. That’s the important thing in all this. > > Oh, and how dangerous coal is. Is the truth important in all this, or isn’t it? It’s a really shitty situation over there, no doubt about it. I’ve been saying from the beginning that it’s a shitty situation, and have never once suggested otherwise. The latest news adds even more confirmation. And i agree that what’s happening over there is far more important than what people type on a computer. But, given how bad it is, and how bad it has been, it seems rather unbecoming of you to lie about it three weeks ago. Why not talk about what is actually happening, rather than your lies and distortions about what is happening. And, as i’ve said before **FXMastermind** , despite your professed concern, you always appear to me to be doing nothing but shedding crocodile tears. I picture you sitting at home, cock in hand, masturbating over the idea that this could get even worse, just so you have something to wave in the face of your antagonists. You’re pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1505 "2011-04-12T01:50:15Z")
Somebody is imagining me and my dick, and they want to say I’m pathetic? Please. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1506 "2011-04-12T01:51:22Z")
I’ve never been that upset over the disaster, since the last building blew the fuck up. I knew then that it was about as bad as it gets. Anyone with a brain could tell that. I’m more pissed off at the lies and bullshit and denial over it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1507 "2011-04-12T02:01:59Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I’ve never been that upset over the disaster, since the last building blew the fuck up. I knew then that it was about as bad as it gets. Anyone with a brain could tell that. > > I’m more pissed off at the lies and bullshit and denial over it. Sure, I bet you can post a link to a post of \*\*mhendo \*\*and others, that decided to be more accurate, saying lies and bullshit? Take your time… ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1508 "2011-04-12T02:07:22Z")
Not only do I not understand what the hell that means, I also don’t give a shit. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1509 "2011-04-12T02:14:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Not only do I not understand what the hell that means, I also don’t give a shit. Of course, I knew you could not find any evidence that \*\*mhendo \*\*or others lied about the past events. Others and me **already demonstrated** the bullshit you spew just by showing how idiotic the sources you rely are. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1510 "2011-04-12T02:17:11Z")
Even if everybody here has lied, I still don’t give a shit. I mean seriously, so fucking what? It doesn’t change a fucking thing. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1511 "2011-04-12T02:20:55Z")
Posters were just repeating what the TEPCO people said. The real liars are those who covered it up and downplayed it. People who believed nuclear spokesmen and the government were making a mistake. Someday they may learn better than to accept those who have a vested interest as fair and even observers. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1512 "2011-04-12T02:25:14Z")
Probably not. Thinking for yourself is stressful. It’s better to just buy into what ever bullshit the authorities feed you. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1513 "2011-04-12T02:35:24Z")
tv news said Japan has now rated the accident as a level 7. that it is giving 10% of the radiation that Chernobyl did/has. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1514 "2011-04-12T02:40:01Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Posters were just repeating what the TEPCO people said. The real liars are those who covered it up and downplayed it. People who believed nuclear spokesmen and the government were making a mistake. Someday they may learn better than to accept those who have a vested interest as fair and even observers. There is a fundamental difference between being skeptical of self-interested parties, on the one hand, and lying outright about what they say, on the other. Here are two possible positions on this issue: Position 1 “I think that the authorities in Japan have been bad about releasing information, and i think that they are downplaying the extent of the problem in order to cover their own asses and serve their own financial interests.” Position 2 “The authorities have declared Fukushima a Level 7 event.” [when the authorities had done no such thing] Do you understand the difference between these two positions? Do you understand that the first, whether correct or incorrect, is a reasonable inference based on developments at the site and broader concerns about political responsibility, while the second is simply an outright lie? Do you think that the difference is important? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1515 "2011-04-12T03:52:31Z")
CNN actually has a story on the setting of the level to 7 [here](http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/11/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1). It’s got some interesting info in it. Such as this: > [@](#): > > Tokyo (CNN) – Japanese authorities Tuesday “provisionally” declared the country’s nuclear accident a level-7 event on the international scale for nuclear disasters – the highest level – putting it on par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster. > [@](#): > > Hidehiko Nishiyama, the safety agency’s chief spokesman, explained the final level won’t be set until the disaster is over and a more detailed investigation has been conducted. > [@](#): > > Tetsunari Iida, a former nuclear engineer-turned-industry critic, told CNN the declaration has no immediate practical impact on the crisis. It is a sign, however, that Japanese regulators have rethought their earlier assessments of the disaster, said Iida, who now runs an alternative energy think-tank in Tokyo. > > According to the scale, a level 5 equates to the likelihood of a release of radioactive material, several deaths from radiation and severe damage to a reactor core. [QUOTE=johnpost] tv news said Japan has now rated the accident as a level 7. that it is giving 10% of the radiation that Chernobyl did/has. [/QUOTE] And that would put it to a level 7. Unlike with FXM, declaring even a provisional level 7 actually requires data, not an out of your ass and baseless assessment stemming from fear and ignorance. Each level is 10 times greater than the level before…so, re-assessing the data available now, if they think that the radiation released is 10% of Chernobyl that would put it at a level 7 (for radioactive iodine anyway). -XT ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1516 "2011-04-12T04:01:38Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > tv news said Japan has now rated the accident as a level 7. that it is giving 10% of the radiation that Chernobyl did/has. But there was a time in the past where they _had not_ rated it a 7. Although they should have. There was a time when they were not disclosing the truth about their disaster on a scale of 1 to 7 (which is called concealment in the legal profession). They are now, a month later, finally admitting that it is a complete clusterfuck. It kinda reminds me of a time long ago, in a land of bullshit presided over by a CREEP when they described their lies as a “modified limited hang out.” As long as the executives aren’t “left twisting in the wind” and still get their bonuses. Remember, fucking up four nuclear reactors means never having to say you’re sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1517 "2011-04-12T04:07:43Z")
BBC is reporting the authorities are emphasizing this is not because of something new that has happened, but rather their assessment of the situation from the beginning, now that they’ve had time to analyze all the data and take stock of the situation, they now are provisionally giving it a 7 rating and want the public to know about it as soon as they’ve made this decision. If they were trying to cover something up, I doubt they’d be taking pains to do this. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1518 "2011-04-12T04:14:37Z")
Considering that some people still believe TMI wasn’t a big deal, the level of denial on this is understandable. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1519 "2011-04-12T04:16:53Z")
Frankly I’m very upset over the suffering that is surely being experienced by so many Japanese these days. I’m going to send them some real cash. I’m stone cold sober serious about that. That said, I want to clarify my radiation per cubic parsec model. If you imagine a way cubes can stack, such that the corners of eight discrete cubes can meet at one point, well I place that point at the center of the Earth, such that the radiation levels may be more conservatively measured. We don’t want to throw red meat to the alarmists after all. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1520 "2011-04-12T04:17:20Z")
But the level of stupidity coming from you is really hard to believe. How do you keep your heart beating and lungs working with the brain capacity of pocket lint? ETA: post directed at FXM -XT [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=77)