# Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla NOOOO!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2011, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389 "2011-03-12T08:19:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1741 "2011-04-24T17:27:12Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Considering the staggeringly wide range of political views of the people in these nuclear threads who have disagreed with you and called you a fucking idiot, I’d say you have your work cut out trying to pin a political motive on them all. 😛 > > I think it’s safe to say that there are posters in these threads who wouldn’t agree with me as to what the time of day or the color of the sky was, yet we are in agreement on this one subject. Well, two really, if we widen the scope to ‘is FXMastermind a blithering idiot?’… > > -XT People like you are wrong so much it is funny, have no impact. Name calling is what you do in a demonstration of your maturity. You have been proven wrong in this and oh so many other threads ,that it is a joke. XT and comedy relief. Have someone point out for you how every step of the way, you have been utterly wrong. But you will never see it. Name calling and insults are the currency of those bereft of ideas. Why should I be bothered by that? I just give you the facts and you twist and fabricate. You are entrenched in old ideas . You will bend and grasp to defend your opinions in a cloud of radioactivity. You fight to the last mutation ignoring permanent radioactive scars as just doing business. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1742 "2011-04-24T17:30:04Z")
A true believer will react with violence and insults when their religion is challenged. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1743 "2011-04-24T18:33:37Z")
I guess I have to adapt. We have discussions about a multiple nuclear meltdown and the way to win is call names and insult. Our problem is we were raised with manners. Being an insulting jerk and calling people names when the disagree with you is the way to win. rather than discuss the radioactive water and containment explosions bathing the Japanese countryside, We should be talking about little people who immaturely call those they disagree with names. So when Xt presents an argument, i should respond you are stupid and ignorant. Here are other posters saying you are stupid and ignorant, The thread is won. Only I still will not, It is so rude and not responsive to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1744 "2011-04-24T18:38:52Z")
[http://enenews.com/daily-radioactive-release-from-fukushima-is-150-times-higher-than-previously-announced-154-trillion-becquerels-released-everyday](http://enenews.com/daily-radioactive-release-from-fukushima-is-150-times-higher-than-previously-announced-154-trillion-becquerels-released-everyday) That is a lot a becquerels. Anyway, all the insults hurled by the pro-nukies were the death throws of belief in the safety of corporate run nuclear power when it meets the good old laws of thermodynamics and mother nature. China might actually have nuclear reactors in the future, but no democracy is ever going to green light another one. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1745 "2011-04-24T19:01:30Z")
> **[Fukushima Residents Seek Answers Amid Mixed Signals From Media, TEPCO and...](https://apjjf.org/2011/9/16/Makiko-Segawa/3516/article.html)** > > Fukushima Residents Seek Answers Amid Mixed Signals From Media, TEPCO and Government. Report from the Radiation Exclusion Zone (Updated May 16) > Makiko SEGAWA in Fukushima > Mistrust of the media has sur Censorship of bad news will now be considered by the Japanese government. I suppose that censorship of the censorship will be next. It’s double plus good! ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1746 "2011-04-24T19:17:27Z")
It’s extremely fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1747 "2011-04-24T20:44:10Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > [Xoilac TV | Xôi Lạc TTBD Hôm Nay - Trực Tiếp Bóng đá 90Phut HD](http://enenews.com/daily-radioactive-release-from-fukushima-is-150-times-higher-than-previously-announced-154-trillion-becquerels-released-everyday) > > That is a lot a becquerels. > > Anyway, all the insults hurled by the pro-nukies were the death throws of belief in the safety of corporate run nuclear power when it meets the good old laws of thermodynamics and mother nature. China might actually have nuclear reactors in the future, but no democracy is ever going to green light another one. I just said that when affirmations are bullshit they have to be called as such. [http://www.timeslive.co.za/business/article999645.ece/Its-full-steam-ahead-for-SAs-nuclear-plans](http://www.timeslive.co.za/business/article999645.ece/Its-full-steam-ahead-for-SAs-nuclear-plans) > [@](#): > > Following the Fukushima disaster, Switzerland this month suspended approvals for three new reactors, while Italy, where the government wants to introduce nuclear power, has postponed a public referendum on the matter for a year. > > In Germany, where a three-month review of the country’s nuclear energy policy is under way, seven of the country’s 17 nuclear plants were shut down temporarily. > > The UK, which plans to build as many as 11 new reactors over the next 15 years, has commissioned a report from its chief nuclear inspector on the implications of Fukushima. > > China, which has 27 nuclear reactors under construction, froze applications for new reactors. Worldwide, 62 reactors are being built. > > However, an executive at a leading international nuclear company urged the South African government to move swiftly on the decision-making process if it wants to maximise the local job-creating potential and get the six planned new reactors in operation timeously. > > It is estimated that as many as 70000 direct jobs can be created by the nuclear build programme. > > “What is important now is to have a decision. We need to start getting the infrastructure in place,” he said. > > According to the executive, the Fukushima disaster is very important for the nuclear industry, as it provides an opportunity to learn and improve technology. > > “It is important to note that the plant withstood the 9-magnitude earthquake and just stopped automatically as designed; it was the tsunami that was the problem,” the executive said. > > “It is a very old reactor; if it used newer technology, there would have been no problem.” > > He said the reaction from governments around the world is mainly political, and that nuclear remains a safe, cost-effective option for baseline power. > > “If you look at Germany for example - the decision to shut their oldest plants is political. They have a strong focus on renewables, particularly wind energy, yet they can only do that because they have access to France’s cheap nuclear power if needed. Germany is lucky it is April; if the temperatures were minus 10, they would certainly not have shut any nuclear reactors,” the executive said. > > Even if South Africa presses ahead with its nuclear power programme, the majority of the country’s electricity will still come from coal-fired power stations by 2030, according to IRP2010. Coal’s contribution to the total mix is expected to decline from 86.5% now to 56.7% by 2030. BTW many reports pointed that early on the plant reported 10,000 terabequerels per day (By April 11, now they are down), and more BTW: I’m already on the record saying that I have no faith on corporations controlling nuclear power, I prefer the French model, but as many in the US see that as socialism I have enough realism on me to see that it will be tough to see progress in the USA. But as I also saw that France is not shying away from new construction and most of the reports in other countries mention delays and reviews but not suspensions, I would have to say it is more likely for nuclear power to continue progressing elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1748 "2011-04-24T21:15:01Z")
Thats nice. i don’t share that optimism. I know they will cut corners over and over. Why, because they always have. They will corrupt any regulation. Why, because they always have. They will get politicians to allow them to do what they want. Because they always do. japan is having anti nuke demonstrations. Germany is bailing on the nukes. There is plenty of resistance to nukes. The NIMBYs will stop every plant and I won’t blame them. It is a huge waste of money and is dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1749 "2011-04-24T21:38:48Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Thats nice. i don’t share that optimism. Uh, I said I’m not optimistic for nuclear power in the USA, but I also have to say that econimically speaking the problems will likely improve the outlook for solar and wind power. > [@gonzomax](#): > > I know they will cut corners over and over. Why, because they always have. They will corrupt any regulation. Why, because they always have. They will get politicians to allow them to do what they want. Because they always do. And I also said before that many heads should roll for the corners cut in the japan case, by this time many would notice that indeed most of what you have said was based on setting up straw men, but me and most of the common sense readers have stopped to count all of them. > [@gonzomax](#): > > japan is having anti nuke demonstrations. Germany is bailing on the nukes. There is plenty of resistance to nukes. The NIMBYs will stop every plant and I won’t blame them. It is a huge waste of money and is dangerous. What I believe is that once the real price that will be paid by using more coal as a result, and the increase in energy prices due to the phase out of nuclear power in Germany becomes real to Germans, then I expect that most of that fear to go away. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1750 "2011-04-25T00:23:56Z")
I do not defend big coal. They are what corruption and well placed friends will allow you to create. They are defiantly dirty. They use their political connections to avoid maintaining their plants and cleaning them up. It is cheaper. For some reason you think nuke is different. I don’t know why after their history of cover ups and lies. Put government and college scientists in charge and i might have a softer stance. You have to take the profit motive out so the end game is doing a good job of creating clean energy safely. But as long as more money can be made by cutting corners, bribing regulators and paying off politicians, it won’t be safe enough. Greed is not good. Coal is terribly dirty. How much effort , money and political power is stressing them to clean up. Somewhere near zero. But somehow nuke will be different? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1751 "2011-04-25T01:23:45Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > A true believer will react with violence and insults when their religion is challenged. So, when are you going to start blowing up nuke plants? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1752 "2011-04-25T03:33:51Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I do not defend big coal. They are what corruption and well placed friends will allow you to create. They are defiantly dirty. They use their political connections to avoid maintaining their plants and cleaning them up. It is cheaper. > For some reason you think nuke is different. I don’t know why after their history of cover ups and lies. > Put government and college scientists in charge and i might have a softer stance. You have to take the profit motive out so the end game is doing a good job of creating clean energy safely. But as long as more money can be made by cutting corners, bribing regulators and paying off politicians, it won’t be safe enough. Greed is not good. > Coal is terribly dirty. How much effort , money and political power is stressing them to clean up. Somewhere near zero. But somehow nuke will be different? Well, profit motive is holy writ to these people. They worship profits, and if profits kill people, well, then that is just unavoidable. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1753 "2011-04-25T03:41:47Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Well, profit motive is holy writ to these people. They worship profits, and if profits kill people, well, then that is just unavoidable. OoohHH, BOoooogy boooogy! Someone is making money on services they sell. The end of the world is nigh. Do you even listen to yourself? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1754 "2011-04-25T04:01:16Z")
I have nothing against profit in the abstract. But I object strongly when profit is used to cut safety, especially when safety of people not engaged in profit is at stake. And then again even more when those strangers to that profit are hurt and damaged by people who refuse to take full moral and financial responsibility for fixing the damage they cause those strangers. At no point in this catastrophe has GE, TEPCO or the Japanese Government taken responsibility for their piss poor planning and inadequate safety measures. They lack the basic human decency of saying they are sorry because that will interfere with their profits. In my business when I make a mistake I must take full financial responsibility. I make damn sure not to take on more responsibility than I can accept. But the risk takers here took risks only with the lives, property and livelihoods of others. You have advocated for nuclear power here, yet take zero moral responsibility for the property lost and the cancers now at risk. Have you no conscience at all? Do you truly feel no responsibility that your “party” has contributed to all this damage? Maybe one little iota of human conscience that you’ve backed this monster? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1755 "2011-04-25T04:22:06Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I just said that when affirmations are bullshit they have to be called as such. > > [http://www.timeslive.co.za/business/article999645.ece/Its-full-steam-ahead-for-SAs-nuclear-plans](http://www.timeslive.co.za/business/article999645.ece/Its-full-steam-ahead-for-SAs-nuclear-plans) > BTW many reports pointed that early on the plant reported 10,000 terabequerels per day (By April 11, now they are down), and more BTW: I’m already on the record saying that I have no faith on corporations controlling nuclear power, I prefer the French model, but as many in the US see that as socialism I have enough realism on me to see that it will be tough to see progress in the USA. But as I also saw that France is not shying away from new construction and most of the reports in other countries mention delays and reviews but not suspensions, I would have to say it is more likely for nuclear power to continue progressing elsewhere. THe AP 1000 is the newest Westinghouse reactor that is being built in China. It has a huge water tank on top that will use gravity in a power shut down to keep the rods wet for 3 days. .That sounds good until you realize that would not have been enough in Japan. The reactors that are causing trouble were never advertised as of poor quality or dangerous. They were supposed to be the frontrunners of technology and safe as mothers milk. Trust us ,nothing can go wrong. Well it did, but now we are so much better. Then when these blow up, it was obsolete, we have so much better now. OK. Technology fails teaching us lessons for new designs. That is party of the learning process. But in nuclear plants, the lessons are way too expensive. The price is too high to pay. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1756 "2011-04-25T04:34:28Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > , yet take zero moral responsibility for the property lost and the cancers now at risk. I have? Please indicate where I suggested that those responsible should not pay up? You are the one acting irresponsibly suggesting that people should have chosen to live in mud huts rather than have affordable electricity. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1757 "2011-04-25T05:32:11Z")
You can at any time you like say that those responsible under the law pay the damaged in full and those that are morally responsible make moral restitution. I haven’t seen any post of yours that says that. You say that you haven’t said they shouldn’t. What I’ve accused you of is that you have refused to affirmatively hold all of those responsible. I’ve reviewed every post you have made in this thread, and I find no posts for holding the people who made these mistakes responsible. Instead I find shit like this: > [@Uzi](#): > > And I’m sure you’ll like the coal fired power plant next door to your house that replaces it, too. Unless you and your neighbors are going to start burning dung in your fireplaces for energy, that is. > > I get tired of people getting blamed for the worlds woes for just being in business. It’s like the only ‘good’ people are the poor and retards. Anyone else is evil and trying to take advantage apparently. > [@Uzi](#): > > I don’t know why this is so hard. The politicians can create legislation making it so, or do due diligence when they approve a new plant and require upgrading of existing plants to comply with new code. All sorts of shit that could have been done to account for the end times before it happens. Just because it may require people to pay multiple times the amount for electricity shouldn’t matter, should it? > [@Uzi](#): > > Yeah, just saw that on the news. Canadians buying iodine pills to prevent radiation poisoning. Every sale should come with a free trip to a Soylent Green processing plant. > [@Uzi](#): > > When anyone is left behind, injured or killed because of incompetence, negligence, or because of a deliberate action that could have been avoided, then it isn’t a good thing. But I agree I don’t see it much different than having buses sitting empty when they could have been used to evacuate residents during Katrina. > [@Uzi](#): > > Obviously, if you want to dedicate drivers for buses and rehearse evacuations and spend billions fixing damns or making power plants invincible other than from world cracking events, then you are going to have risk. You live with it and deal with the results. > [@Uzi](#): > > I know you won’t, but can you stop this true believer crap? No one, least of all in this thread, is claiming that there is nothing that could cause a containment breach. > > If the container was capable of being built that would withstand any earthly catastrophe, you’d still bitch if a meteorite hit it with enough force to cause another dinosaur extinction saying we should have anticipated such an event and planned accordingly. > [@Uzi](#): > > The largest anything on record is only there until something larger comes along. Given how short a time period we’ve been collecting data, it should not be surprising that something bigger may come along and when it does the whingers will be whinging away about how it wasn’t ‘planned’ for. Which is my point. You plan for what makes sense. > And in case your brain is failing, corporations work under the regulations of the governments that license them. The governments that those people who are ‘not so rich’ elect because they make up the majority of the population. These are the same people who benefit from a reasonably priced electrical system. How much will it cost to provide for the largest earthquake ever recorded and who do they expect to pay for it other than themselves? If you ask someone if they are willing to pay twice their electrical costs to prevent a one in a dozen lifetime event, what do you think they’d say (remember how many people keep rebuilding on flood plains every year, btw)? After reviewing every last post you have made in this thread, the only comments you have made approaching who should bear for the consequences for this disaster are above. The general mood of these is: tough shit hurt peasants. Maybe you would like to clarify your position, but your posts make you look like a sociopath. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1758 "2011-04-25T05:50:37Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > The general mood of these is: tough shit hurt peasants. Maybe you would like to clarify your position, but your posts make you look like a sociopath. You are an utter moron. The people responsible are not just the companies who make an item, but the people who buy the item. Who benefits from affordable electricity? Those peasants you refer to. They elect politicians who are supposed to ensure the company follows the rules and regulations they have put in place. If the ignorant peasant sits there enjoying his latest episode of ‘Survivor’ (or the Japanese equivalent), without thinking about the consequences, then he is partly responsible for his fate. It doesn’t mean financially, but the whole process is a loop. No party exists in isolation. The company can only be as ‘evil’, or profit seeking as you, the people let them be. But you seem to forget, or ignore, that the people who run the companies are PEOPLE, too. They are usually no more evil than the guy sitting watching his Japanese survivor. You seem to think that companies are run by Martians. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1759 "2011-04-25T05:59:20Z")
Oh, you’re trolling. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1760 "2011-04-25T09:49:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Now the Japanese government has moved to crack down on independent reportage and criticism of the government’s policies in the wake of the disaster by deciding what citizens may or may not talk about in public. A new project team has been created by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communication, the National Police Agency, and METI to combat “rumors” deemed harmful to Japanese security in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. > > The government charges that the damage caused by earthquakes and by the nuclear accident are being magnified by irresponsible rumors, and the government must take action for the sake of the public good. The project team has begun to send “[letters of request](http://www.soumu.go.jp/menu_news/s-news/01kiban08_01000023.html)” to such organizations as telephone companies, internet providers, cable television stations, and others, demanding that they “take adequate measures based on the guidelines in response to illegal information. ”The measures include erasing any information from internet sites that the authorities deem harmful to public order and morality. [http://japanfocus.org/-Makiko-Segawa/3516](http://japanfocus.org/-Makiko-Segawa/3516) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=89)