# Nuclear meltdown! Holy Godzilla NOOOO!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2011, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389 "2011-03-12T08:19:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1761 "2011-04-25T10:40:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > [http://japanfocus.org/-Makiko-Segawa/3516](http://japanfocus.org/-Makiko-Segawa/3516) You really should try reading your own cites, sometime: “residents in Fukushima insist that the situation is safe and that the media, in fanning unwarranted fears, are damaging the economy of the region.” "the school’s doctor in his white coat stated matter-of-factly that, based on science, people should know that the worst of the earthquake damage had passed and that radiation leakages from the Fukushima Daiichi plant were decreasing and would soon fade away. “The radiation problem is already finished,” he told the children and their parents. “You can go to school and go outside without any problem. You should not fear malicious gossip.” “Ikarashi Yoshitaka, 33, is one who is particularly keen on restoring his business and the local economy, a goal that leads him to downplay warnings of radiation risk.“It is just an emotional thesis that ours is ‘a city in danger!’” he insisted. Together with dozens of volunteers from across Japan, Ikarashi has visited many areas throughout the radiation exclusion zone. He confidently asserts that his $600 made in U.S “Geiger counter” has detected no abnormal amount of radiation.” ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1762 "2011-04-25T10:51:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Desperation over the destruction of the local economy appears to have provoked an unscientific optimism concerning radiation in some local communities struggling to get back on their feet. “an unscientific optimism” is an apt description of what we have seen since day one of the disaster. On internets. No matter that each passing day brought worse news, that the situation deteriorated to the point where it quite simply couldn’t get much worse, the strident preachers of the true nuclear faith never stopped trying to downplay any danger, and risk, and this still continues to this day. > [@](#): > > **Shortage of Information and Aid for Fukushima Citizens in the Radiation Exclusion Zone** > Ikarashi points out that the reason for the absence of trustworthy information and the presence of baseless gossip is “ **lack of information** ”; the national media tend to avoid entering the radiation exclusion zone, fearing contamination and merely regurgitate the claims of the local government and officials obtained by telephone. [http://japanfocus.org/-Makiko-Segawa/3516](http://japanfocus.org/-Makiko-Segawa/3516) My sarcastic assaults on the almost complete lack of actual data, starting right after the first big explosion, certainly irked the true believers. I’m saddened to find that while I thought it was all due to TEPCO and the usual tendency to hide bad shit, it also turned out to be that TEPCO, and the entire Japanese Government, was actually completely unprepared to not only deal with a nuclear disaster, but they don’t even have the tools to measure how bad a disaster is. While this doesn’t bother the nuclear defender a bit, it certainly concerns any rational human being who learns of it. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1763 "2011-04-25T11:13:19Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > My sarcastic assaults on the almost complete lack of actual data, starting right after the first big explosion, certainly irked the true believers. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > your nuclear denier isn’t actually interested in discussing what is actually happening, what has happened. I appreciate that you can’t be bother reading other peoples cites, or indeed your own cites, but could you at least decide whether you want to label the people who disagree with you as believers or deniers? Although going by your past form, I suppose you could now be building to an accusation that we’re flip flopping on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2011, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1764 "2011-04-25T11:24:14Z")
Nuclear denier is a play off of “climate deniers” or what ever nonsense somebody came up with to try and slander the opposition. True believer, or nuclear believer or what ever is also just as stupid. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1765 "2011-04-26T22:20:37Z")
[http://www.nirs.org/factsheets/whynewnukesareriskyfcts.pdf](http://www.nirs.org/factsheets/whynewnukesareriskyfcts.pdf) I wonder if Peter Bradford would be labeled a denier. He was a former Commissioner of the Nuclear Regulatory Comm. He voiced many of the same problems we brought up in this thread. The costs are always underestimated by about 100 percent. The amount of energy produced is always less than promised and it costs more than estimated. He also voices a fear that the regulators show a deference to the economics over the public safety. He talks of the dwindling uranium supples and of course the problem without an answer, the waste and spent fuel rods. He has more though. , He even got into terrorist attacking plants . But if he is not a dead head believer, he just doesn’t know enough. Comm. of the NRC is not enough of an expert. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1766 "2011-04-26T22:28:16Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] I wonder if Peter Bradford would be labeled a denier. [/QUOTE] Since he’s written papers and gone on the record as opposing nuclear energy, though carefully stating that he doesn’t oppose ALL nuclear energy, I’d say he’s more in your camp than anything else. It’s funny that you should point to him as being some sort of nuclear advocate who has had a change of heart…or something. 😛 Sort of like the ‘scientists’ who, after careful and introspective thought, have to conclude that evolution is a crock, and really ID is the only rational position available… -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1767 "2011-04-26T22:43:26Z")
What an idiotic troll you have become. ---
**Author:** ![matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@matt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1768 "2011-04-27T03:27:09Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > THe AP 1000 is the newest Westinghouse reactor that is being built in China. It has a huge water tank on top that will use gravity in a power shut down to keep the rods wet for 3 days. .That sounds good until you realize that would not have been enough in Japan. That is not an accurate description of the AP1000’s passive cooling system, and your conclusion is incorrect. The AP1000 uses a steel containment shell surrounded by a concrete chimney structure. The passive emergency cooling system is internal to the steel shell and works by keeping the reactor core immersed in boiling water, the steam from which condenses on the inside of the steel containment and runs back down to the core. The steel shell therefore acts as a giant heat radiator for cooling the core, with the external chimney taking the heat away by convection. The gravity feed tank provides additional cooling to the outside of the shell to help remove the initial high levels of decay heat after reactor shutdown. Note that decay heat is around 7% of the total thermal output of the reactor immediately after shutdown, and drops to 1% within an hour, 0.1% within 24 hours, and continues to reduce with time. The gravity-fed supplementary water cooling of the outside of the steel shell is only required during the initial stage, after which the passive cooling can take care of itself indefinitely. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1769 "2011-04-27T04:50:33Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Nuclear denier is a play off of “climate deniers” or what ever nonsense somebody came up with to try and slander the opposition. Denier was a term that came from the 15th century, Perfectly applicable for people that declare that something is untrue. And as I have seen before, it is clear that you are also a global warming denier. That is full of stupid. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1770 "2011-04-27T05:46:13Z")
Name calling is a sign of true intellectual development. It works so much better than science in settling matters. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1771 "2011-04-27T05:54:11Z")
Did you not 3 posts before call someone a troll? Can you not even remember your own posts that far back?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1772 "2011-04-27T05:59:50Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > What an idiotic troll you have become. > [@FXMastermind](#): > > Name calling is a sign of true intellectual development. It works so much better than science in settling matters. Having already already established you don’t read other people’s cites, your own cites, or other people’s posts…having seen all of the above, still it comes as a bit of a jolt to find you don’t even take in your own posts. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1773 "2011-04-27T06:13:33Z")
I know just what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1774 "2011-04-27T15:39:38Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Did you not 3 posts before call someone a troll? Can you not even remember your own posts that far back?:rolleyes: He’s either completely insane, or having a bit of fun at your expense. I don’t know which is worse really. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1775 "2011-04-27T15:44:21Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > He’s either completely insane, or having a bit of fun at your expense. I don’t know which is worse really. Or he’s a fucking idiot who has now started referring to himself in the 3rd person. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1776 "2011-04-27T15:52:11Z")
[QUOTE=FXMastermind] He’s either completely insane, or having a bit of fun at your expense. I don’t know which is worse really. [/QUOTE] Is referring to yourself in the 3rd person an affectation, or are you really as batshit crazy as you appear? Just curious. -XT ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1777 "2011-04-27T16:04:32Z")
My criteria for insanity online involves actually responding to trolls, you know, getting into a long fight with some anonymous idiot over something neither of you can actually do anything about. Getting pissed off, thinking about it (or them) even when you are not online. Checking the topic first where some idiot has pissed you off, always responding to your opponents, arguing every last little point, name calling, it’s all part of some sort of online psychosis. I advise avoiding it at all costs. Even if people think you are an idiot, accuse you of all kinds of chicanery, deception, bad intent or mental illness, the only way to really lose is to get into a discussion with them about it. Wait … Did I just do that? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1778 "2011-04-27T16:08:00Z")
The only way to avoid such a waste of time and energy, (as well as confirming you are suffering some sort of mental deficiency), the only way to escape is reality. I prefer science, but any sort of reality will work. Like this. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-27/tokyo-water-radiation-falls-to-zero-for-first-time-since-crisis.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-27/tokyo-water-radiation-falls-to-zero-for-first-time-since-crisis.html) Highest readings yet, radiation is getting worse. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gtszNh2tfRM/hqdefault.jpg "April 15 2011 T-Hawk Fukushima Flyby #3.mpg") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtszNh2tfRM) Latest flying robot/drone footage [http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/27\_10.html](http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/27_10.html) Fukushima radiation map released [![](https://www.asahi.com/national/gallery_e/view_photo.html?national-pg/0426/TKY201104260415.jpg) ](https://www.asahi.com/national/gallery_e/view_photo.html?national-pg/0426/TKY201104260415.jpg) close up view of map I’ve got a hundred or so other links, but seriously, is anybody going to look at them? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1779 "2011-04-27T17:01:37Z")
For the reader who actually cares about reality, the latest fact based report. [http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS\_Recovery\_and\_rubble\_at\_Fukushima\_2704111.html](http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Recovery_and_rubble_at_Fukushima_2704111.html) > [@](#): > > A survey of radiation dose rates at the site has revealed the highest to come from debris left on the ground after the explosions at units 1 to 4. Some rubble beside unit 3 is giving the highest dose rate of some 300 millisieverts per hour, while other debris patches are at 30-40 millisieverts per hour. This video [http://youtu.be/\_6OKg9rc7pU](http://youtu.be/_6OKg9rc7pU) clearly shows one area that was reported at 900mSv/hr ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389/1780 "2011-04-27T18:39:04Z")
Those are troll facts. Only an idiot would post fake links to troll facts. The radiation isn’t going to hurt anyone because lots of people haven’t died from it yet. You are a poopy head for trash talking nuclear power, which is like the energy generated when burning unicorn farts: clean and non-global warming. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-meltdown-holy-godzilla-noooo/574389.md?page=90)