# Nuclear War is it really coming? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 16, 2013, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614 "2013-07-16T00:16:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/1 "2013-07-16T00:16:30Z")
> **[Booklet\_NuclearWar.pdf](https://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_NuclearWar.pdf)** > > 546.41 KB Seems like its over dew. Okie ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/2 "2013-07-16T00:17:48Z")
Reported. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/3 "2013-07-16T00:18:27Z")
I’m convinced. I’m having my bomb shelter plans drawn up and construction should begin within the month. Praise the Lord! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/4 "2013-07-16T00:25:24Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Reported. … for what? GD is the right forum for witnessing, isn’t it? Or is there now a rule saying “Hey, look at that!” isn’t actually witnessing? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/5 "2013-07-16T00:26:15Z")
**Okieshowedem** , if you want to talk about … whatever it is you want to talk about, that’s fine. If you’re going to link to that website every time you post, you’ll be treated as a spammer and banned. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/6 "2013-07-16T00:28:06Z")
My library book is over dew. You mean it’s overdue? No, it’s sitting on the lawn, over some dew! ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/7 "2013-07-16T00:29:29Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > Seems like its over dew. Yes. Absolutely. As the 21st century rolls on, water will becoming an increasingly scarce and precious resource. Atmospheric moisture condensation–extracted by [hardy “moisture farmers”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/sci_nat_enl_1175192786/img/laun.jpg)–will become vital to the continued survival of the people of Earth. Inevitably, [conflict over this much-needed resource will arise](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Tuskenraider.jpg/250px-Tuskenraider.jpg), culminating in the construction of ever-more-devastating [weapons of mass destruction](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Death_star1.png). ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/8 "2013-07-16T00:30:21Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > … for what? GD is the right forum for witnessing, isn’t it? Or is there now a rule saying “Hey, look at that!” isn’t actually witnessing? Pretty much always has been that sort of rule. Minimal-content posts with links to incoherent websites were always frowned upon. ---
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/9 "2013-07-16T00:31:23Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **Okieshowedem** , if you want to talk about … whatever it is you want to talk about, that’s fine. If you’re going to link to that website every time you post, you’ll be treated as a spammer and banned. Us old folks are slow learners… Okie ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/10 "2013-07-16T00:43:06Z")
OK. Anyway, would you like to explain your topic a little more? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/11 "2013-07-16T00:48:00Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > [http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet\_NuclearWar.pdf](http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_NuclearWar.pdf) “Booklet?” It’s 39 pages, with fancy names for some of the references. TL;DR Please summarize. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/12 "2013-07-16T00:51:23Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > My library book is over dew. > > You mean it’s overdue? > > No, it’s sitting on the lawn, over some dew! I thought he might have a capitalization problem, and it was actually going to start over the Defense Early Warning system. ---
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/13 "2013-07-16T01:01:46Z")
Any way thanks again. Okie > [@John\_Mace](#): > > My library book is over dew. > > You mean it’s overdue? > > No, it’s sitting on the lawn, over some dew! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/14 "2013-07-16T01:03:26Z")
What’s this thread good for? Absolutely nothing! Huh! ---
**Author:** ![llcoolbj77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/eb9ed0/32.png) [@llcoolbj77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/llcoolbj77)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/15 "2013-07-16T01:05:09Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Yes. Absolutely. As the 21st century rolls on, water will becoming an increasingly scarce and precious resource. Atmospheric moisture condensation–extracted by [hardy “moisture farmers”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/sci_nat_enl_1175192786/img/laun.jpg)–will become vital to the continued survival of the people of Earth. Inevitably, [conflict over this much-needed resource will arise](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Tuskenraider.jpg/250px-Tuskenraider.jpg), culminating in the construction of ever-more-devastating [weapons of mass destruction](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Death_star1.png). Golf clap! ---
**Author:** ![Okieshowedem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/okieshowedem/32/7278_2.png) [@Okieshowedem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okieshowedem)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/16 "2013-07-16T01:18:17Z")
I see why the apostles said it would be sudden destruction. And why we are warned in Luke 21: Be On Guard–Watch! 34 So be on your guard–see to it that your minds are never clouded with carousing, drunkenness, or anxieties and worries of this life–so that day will not come upon you unexpectedly, 35 For it will come, like a trap, on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Okie > [@Marley23](#): > > OK. Anyway, would you like to explain your topic a little more? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/17 "2013-07-16T01:36:26Z")
What? ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/18 "2013-07-16T02:16:22Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > I see why the apostles said it would be sudden destruction. > And why we are warned in Luke 21: Be On Guard–Watch! 34 So be on your guard–see to it that your minds are never clouded with carousing, drunkenness, or anxieties and worries of this life–so that day will not come upon you unexpectedly, 35 For it will come, like a trap, on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. > > Okie And this has something to do with nuclear war? Seems to me it’s a warning not to be a selfish jerk and nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/19 "2013-07-16T02:18:39Z")
We really need to change the rules about witnessing. Like instaban, only quicker. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614/20 "2013-07-16T02:26:29Z")
> [@Okieshowedem](#): > > I see why the apostles said it would be sudden destruction. > And why we are warned in Luke 21: Be On Guard–Watch! 34 So be on your guard–see to it that your minds are never clouded with carousing, drunkenness, or anxieties and worries of this life–so that day will not come upon you unexpectedly, 35 For it will come, like a trap, on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. > > Okie But the pamphlet you link to depends a lot on the book of Revelation, unfortunately: > **[BBC - Religions - Christianity: Revelation](https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/texts/revelation.shtml)** > > Why is Revelation, the last book of the Bible, so different from the rest of the text? Does it really predict the end of the world? > [@](#): > > The word Armageddon is taken from al-Megiddo, a place on the Jazreel Plain in modern-day Israel. By John’s time many famous battles had been fought there and in the first century it was the site of the camp of the brutal Roman Ironsides. > > To John’s mind this would have been the perfect place for the final battle between good and evil. > > So it seems that the Book of Revelation is not prophesying the end of the world but is a polemic against the Roman Empire. > > John frames his attack in a way that parallels other religious writings of the time and which would have made sense to early Christians. > > John was telling first century Christians to galvanize themselves against compromising with Rome, and that their faithfulness would be rewarded. Now, Nuclear global war was more possible a few years back, and the prophesies of the Apostles and Revelation referred to the current generation (that is, the one living on BC 33), so, sorry to say, the bible is not the right place to look for future events, particularly when the predictions were looked to take place in the now past eras and used not only against the Romans, but later the book was used against other Christians, that BTW was one of the reasons why Revelation was added to the bible: > **[February 24, 2012 ~ Elaine Pagels on the Book of Revelation | February 24,...](https://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2012/02/24/february-24-2012-elaine-pagels-on-the-book-of-revelation/10372/)** > > "It’s as though you take all of your nightmares about plague or destruction or war or torture or natural catastrophe, and you just wrap it into a huge single nightmare, and you get the Book of Revelation," says this historian and Princeton professor... [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuclear-war-is-it-really-coming/663614.md?page=2)