# Nuke the UN **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2007, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360 "2007-06-25T17:57:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/1 "2007-06-25T17:57:11Z")
The UN Commission on the Status of Women has delivered its official statement on the status of women on planet Earth. Only one nation was singled out as a violator of women’s rights. That nation is… (wait for it) Israel. [U.N. Dishonors Women](http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODY4NzU5MzRiNGViMjk5MTFjNmY4NDE4YTc1ZTU2NDk=), Anne Bayefsky, National Review Online, 2007-03-19 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/2 "2007-06-25T18:02:30Z")
Are you sure that wasn’t a satire? I mean Jesus, forget about Saudi Arabia — American women are treated worse than Israeli women. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/3 "2007-06-25T18:11:51Z")
I’m sick today and not able to really do research very well. Is this for real? The site that the article was on had an ad celebrating the “Reagan Revolution”, so I am dubious of it’s bias. Here is the link to the 51st session. Can someone help me parse this data? [http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/csw/51sess.htm](http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/csw/51sess.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/4 "2007-06-25T19:28:49Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] Here is the link to the 51st session. Can someone help me parse this data? > **[Commission on the Status of Women-Follow-up to Beijing and Beijing + 5](https://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/csw/51sess.htm)** [/QUOTE] Their objection appears to be against [this resolution](http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N07/254/45/PDF/N0725445.pdf?OpenElement), and these statements in particular: > [@](#): > > 1. Reaffirms that the Israeli occupation remains a major obstacle for Palestinian women with regard to their advancement, self-reliance and integration in the development planning of their society; > > 2. Demands that Israel, the occupying Power, comply fully with the provisions and principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Regulations annexed to The Hague Convention IV of 18 October 1907 and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949, in order to protect the rights of Palestinian women and their families; > > 3. Calls upon Israel to facilitate the return of all refugees and displaced Palestinian women and children to their homes and properties, in compliance with the relevant United Nations resolutions; ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/5 "2007-06-25T19:42:18Z")
Israel isn’t the only country-specific resolution; there’s three other resolutions up there currently, involving Lesotho, South Africa, and the United States. So that would be a plan lie, or they’ve added more since then (since these are draft resolutions, it makes sense they’re unfinished and some more may be added. That Israel be focused on in a report about Palestinian women seems pretty reasonable, to me. Note also that the conclusions of the summit do not refer to Israelis specifically. Note on top of that that the report says it is “On behalf of the Group of 77 and China” - it may be that the report was made because they were asked to make it. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/6 "2007-06-25T20:08:23Z")
I love, however, that at the UN, even a convention on feminism can be used (tenuously, desperately) to make a slam on Israel. The circus continues. ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/7 "2007-06-25T20:10:19Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Israel isn’t the only country-specific resolution; there’s three other resolutions up there currently, involving Lesotho, South Africa, and the United States. So that would be a plan lie, or they’ve added more since then (since these are draft resolutions, it makes sense they’re unfinished and some more may be added. That Israel be focused on in a report about Palestinian women seems pretty reasonable, to me. Note also that the conclusions of the summit do not refer to Israelis specifically. Note on top of that that the report says it is “On behalf of the Group of 77 and China” - it may be that the report was made because they were asked to make it. [/QUOTE] The other resolutions weren’t targeted at Lesotho, South Africa, and the US; they were sponsored by them. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/8 "2007-06-25T20:14:30Z")
[QUOTE=cckerberos] The other resolutions weren’t targeted at Lesotho, South Africa, and the US; they were sponsored by them. [/QUOTE] You’re right, of course. :smack: But this does make one point clear - why did they choose to make a report focusing on Palestinian women? Because they were sponsored to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Frustrated\_Wonderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a4c791/32.png) [@Frustrated\_Wonderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frustrated_Wonderer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/9 "2007-06-25T20:18:13Z")
The UN sucks. Yeah, I said it. The UN sucks. It really does. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/10 "2007-06-25T21:38:22Z")
I cannot get the link from **Fear Itself** to open. I also cannot find that language in any of the documents on the site for the 2007 conference. I did find a reference in the 2007 meeting to an earlier document that looks like it might be the one **Fear itself** quoted, but that resolution was published in 2004–along with nation-specific resolutions for a lot of other countries. What is the path from the [51st session website](http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/csw/51sess.htm) to the anti-Israeli resolution? (I’d really prefer to not get all up in arms about something that Bayefsky has misquoted or quoted out of context.) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/11 "2007-06-25T21:51:53Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] I cannot get the link from **Fear Itself** to open. [/QUOTE] It is a PDF file, so you will need a PDF reader to open it. ---
**Author:** ![ArmenE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ArmenE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArmenE)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/12 "2007-06-25T22:02:07Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] What is the path from the [51st session website](http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/csw/51sess.htm) to the anti-Israeli resolution? (I’d really prefer to not get all up in arms about something that Bayefsky has misquoted or quoted out of context.) [/QUOTE] ## Go to [Official Documents](http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/csw/csw51/OfficialDocuments.html) in the Documents section on that page, and select ## E/CN.6/2007/4 [A C E F R S] Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women - Report of the Secretary-General the fourth document in the list. Click on ‘E’ for English. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/13 "2007-06-25T22:03:16Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] It is a PDF file, so you will need a PDF reader to open it. [/QUOTE] It won’t open for me either. There is an end-user problem. If you have reached this site from a web link, - Through your internet options, adjust your privacy settings to allow cookies or - Check your security settings and make sure this site has not been blocked or - You are probably using a very slow link that may not work well with this application. Otherwise you have reached this site through unauthorized means. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/14 "2007-06-25T22:10:10Z")
## [QUOTE=ArmenE] Go to [Official Documents](http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/csw/csw51/OfficialDocuments.html) in the Documents section on that page, and select ## E/CN.6/2007/4 [A C E F R S] Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women - Report of the Secretary-General the fourth document in the list. Click on ‘E’ for English. [/QUOTE] Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/15 "2007-06-25T22:11:38Z")
[QUOTE=Fear Itself] It is a PDF file, so you will need a PDF reader to open it. [/QUOTE] I’m already at Adobe Reader 8.1; I don’t think I can do any more on that front. 😛 (The other path worked, however.) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/16 "2007-06-25T22:46:04Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I’m sick today and not able to really do research very well. Is this for real? No, it’s a partisan crock of shit. The UN Economic and Social Council Commission on the Status of Women in its 51st session did **not** issue a general report on the status of women worldwide in which it identified Israel as the only violator of women’s rights. Instead, as other posters have noted, the Commission put out a number of reports on various issues relating to the status of women, one of which was a report on the status of Palestinian women “in accordance with ESC resolution 2006/8 of 25 July 2006”. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/17 "2007-06-25T22:52:58Z")
Wait, so we cite the UN for every topic imaginable as a good source and then all of the sudden they need to be nuked because they say something we don’t like. The link provided, to me, says nuke Israel, not the UN. If someone is going to make a case for nuking the UN, I would like some cites for that. disclaimer: I think the UN is rubbish and should be nuked but for entirely different reasons. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/18 "2007-06-26T11:04:53Z")
Nuking the UN over this is like nuking your neighbourhood association because all of your neigbours are assholes. The problem with the UN isn’t the institution, but the membership. Most governments in the world are shit, and they all get an equal vote apart from the five permanent members, who are split 2-3 between completely shit and pretty shit, and can overrule pretty much anyone. Israel is one of the whipping boys, because most members can agree that they don’t really like Israel, apart from the US, who like Israel so much they veto anything more than cosmetic resolutions against it. In much the same way most members don’t really like North Korea, apart from China, who like it enough to veto most non-cosmetic resolutions against it. So you get lots of stupid twaddle like this, where various countries feel they can score a few anti-Israel points because the US Representative either can’t veto it or can’t be bothered. Hence the desire to form non-UN bodies that can actually get things done and have some credibility, like the G7. Until, that is, they had a brain fart and invited Russia in, at which point it too became a craptastic talking-shop. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/19 "2007-06-26T11:13:26Z")
Since when has the UN been a moral authority? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360/20 "2007-06-26T14:31:54Z")
[QUOTE=mks57] **Nuke the UN** [/QUOTE] If there’s one SDMB thread an FBI agent has opened, this is the one. And he/she is still checking it periodically . . . just to be sure. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nuke-the-un/409360.md?page=2)