# Numb3rs Fans - roll call **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 3, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745 "2005-06-03T16:31:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/1 "2005-06-03T16:31:40Z")
Well Numb3rs is officially on for Season #2, tentatively set for a September beginning. Though it seems Ms. Lloyd will not be returning. But that will not turn me away from this awesome tv show. So come join in, tell me you’re waiting for it to start back up. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/2 "2005-06-03T17:27:20Z")
I didn’t catch it until part way through the season because I wanted to like it. Let me explain. I heard the premise and thought: that could be great in a CSI Grissom-geeky sort of way. But this is television. They’ll blow it. They won’t do real math. It’ll be dumb statistical profiling generalities and similar nonsense. But when I started watching it, they proved me wrong! The math was real. The math was interesting. The math was well-presented and well-integrated into the show. The math was made understandable and yet not dumbed down. (Although the miracle computer programs that can spit out any results from any input on a map of LA in seconds and then draw all the connections between them…) So I’m hooked. (And so is my wife.) The characters are getting better written and more comfortable in their roles. Charlie refused to fool around with his thesis student! And she’s coming back next year in a different Ph.D. track! All good stuff. I can’t figure out what Sabrina Lloyd’s role was ever supposed to be on the show, and obviously neither could the writers. She was one speaking part too many, a part that could better go to outside experts that could explain new plots. They did the right thing by dumping her, although I hope she finds a more appropriate series some day. So yeah, I’m waiting for the next season and filling in the episodes I missed in the interim. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/3 "2005-06-03T17:27:48Z")
I liked the show, but is not a “must see”. No Sabrina LLoyd??? There goes some of the appeal to me. Hopefully it will still have accurate (for a TV show) math / physics. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/4 "2005-06-03T17:29:07Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I liked the show, but is not a “must see”. No Sabrina LLoyd??? There goes some of the appeal to me. Hopefully it will still have accurate (for a TV show) math / physics. > > Brian They have a team of mathematicians as advisors for the episodes. In fact one of them is Charlie’s hand double because he doesn’t get the proper choppiness with his writing on the chalk boards. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/5 "2005-06-03T17:33:53Z")
> [@Exapno Mapcase](#): > > I can’t figure out what Sabrina Lloyd’s role was ever supposed to be on the show, and obviously neither could the writers. She was one speaking part too many, a part that could better go to outside experts that could explain new plots. They did the right thing by dumping her, although I hope she finds a more appropriate series some day. I thought it was pretty clear that she was the FBI’s psych profiler. I liked how they never came right out and _said it_ though. Anyway, I like the show. I don’t love it or anything, but it’s pretty good and I’ll be watching next season. ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/6 "2005-06-03T17:35:49Z")
I like the way the characters interact with each other and their father. They’ve spent a great deal of time developing it and it works. Lloyd’s character just never clicked even though she was supposed to have had a relationship with Don in college. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/7 "2005-06-03T17:46:43Z")
> [@Lil' Mahoney](#): > > I like the way the characters interact with each other and their father. They’ve spent a great deal of time developing it and it works. Lloyd’s character just never clicked even though she was supposed to have had a relationship with Don in college. I enjoyed seeing Don and Charlie’s relationship grow, especially when Charlie showed up at Don’s apartment at 2 in the morning with a box of stuff. I can really relate to their relationship, I have two older brothers who were in their teens when I was born, so growing up I wasn’t ever really part of their family dynamic. I mean, they were peers to each other, and I was the kid brother. As I’ve gotten older, the dynamic has shifted and I’ve begun to enter the peer status and grow closer to them. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/8 "2005-06-03T18:44:07Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > I thought it was pretty clear that she was the FBI’s psych profiler. I liked how they never came right out and _said it_ though. > > Anyway, I like the show. I don’t love it or anything, but it’s pretty good and I’ll be watching next season. I seem to remember in the pilot that they explained that she was the profiler on the team. It hasn’t really come up since. She had nothing to do on the show. They should have made her the math-skeptic on the show and have her butt heads with Mr. Mathypants. This character is sorely needed on the show. They played with the idea when Lou Diamond Phillips played the sniper expert. On a side note my girlfriend and her family love the show and they are the biggest math geeks I have ever met. Apparently the only fake math they have used was in the UFO episode (I think)… the Sploosh or Splootch or whatever formula. ---
**Author:** ![Podkayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Podkayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Podkayne)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/9 "2005-06-03T19:06:42Z")
> [@Exapno Mapcase](#): > > Charlie refused to fool around with his thesis student! The thing that was making me insane was that everybody was telling me he _should_. “Hey, Charlie, you really should date your **STUDENT**! Wouldn’t that be great! I think your **STUDENT** likes you!” Don and his dad seem like reasonably intelligent people! Wouldn’t it occur to them that Charlie is in a position of authority over her, and as such a romantic relationship would be a wee bit sketchy? What with Charlie totally controlling her academic destiny, and everything? Even if he were to date her after her degree with him is done, eyebrows would be raised. In the R3al W0rld, I mean, not necessarily in Numb3rs universe. I kinda like Peter MacNichol’s character, though he’s a bit hammy. But, ever since “It’s just a run of the Yang-Mills black hole,” he really can do no wrong in my eyes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/10 "2005-06-03T19:17:53Z")
I like the show well enough, but my daughter is a ravening fan. The [Numb3rs.org](http://www.numb3rs.org/forums/) message board is for her what the SDMB is for me. The nice thing is that the producers (and once, David Krumholtz) spend time there and answer questions. And it’s gotten her to really like math (she did when she was very small, but lost interest, probably because she had to cram a year of it into three months.) ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/11 "2005-06-03T19:28:56Z")
I was impressed with their accuracy about radiation. Especially after an episode of \*Joan of Arcadia \* with horrid science. ---
**Author:** ![rhettbutler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@rhettbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhettbutler)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/12 "2005-06-03T20:39:04Z")
I like the show and will continue to watch. I think David Krumholtz is adorable. He’s the whole reason I started watching. I’ve had a crush on him since I saw the Santa Clause. :o ---
**Author:** ![ddgryphon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8c91f0/32.png) [@ddgryphon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ddgryphon)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/13 "2005-06-03T22:57:09Z")
I’ll miss Lloyd, but I really like the relationships between the brothers and their father. Also, it is a nice twist in analyzing crime. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/14 "2005-06-03T23:11:48Z")
Midseason replacement, wasn’t it? I’m looking forward to a good Season II. The core cast (family) is working out quite nicely. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/15 "2005-06-04T01:05:56Z")
I like the show and find myself wondering every week how the A/V geek in “Ten Things I Hate About You” turned into such a smokin’ hottie. And Dr. Fleishman doesn’t look too bad these days, either. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/16 "2005-06-04T01:39:07Z")
> [@rhettbutler](#): > > II think David Krumholtz is adorable. I didn’t until Numb3rs. But, make him a nerdy, brooding, brilliant, awkward math-geek, and _sigh_. I have issues. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/17 "2005-06-04T02:08:18Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > I didn’t until Numb3rs. But, make him a nerdy, brooding, brilliant, awkward math-geek, and _sigh_. > > I have issues. Well, for whatever it may be worth, you are not alone. On any count. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/18 "2005-06-04T02:42:08Z")
I find the show great fun, but I have no idea how they’ll come up with enough new plots… ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/19 "2005-06-04T04:01:51Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > I find the show great fun, but I have no idea how they’ll come up with enough new plots… Well it ends up formulaic, find a crime, and then find a way to apply math to it. I doubt they do it the other way around. Though they might in some cases. Plus we may see Don take precedence in some eps, who knows. I think we’ll get 3 more good seasons. That’s my prediction. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2005, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/numb3rs-fans-roll-call/306745/20 "2005-06-04T11:47:15Z")
I’ve been enjoying it, it’s nice that it has been picked up for season 2. I’m hoping that a few of the plots deviate from the “math solves it all” initial formula. The familial relationship is also very natural feeling, none of the three strike me as unrealistic or phony in the role.