# Nutmeg high and morning glory seeds. **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 6, 2003, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166 "2003-02-06T07:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Yong\_Lee\_Fampee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ba8739/32.png) [@Yong\_Lee\_Fampee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yong_Lee_Fampee)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/1 "2003-02-06T07:16:11Z")
I wanted some information on nutmeg and its drug properties. How would one take it if they wish to become inebriated with it? I bought some raw nutmeg, boiled it and drank the water. I caught a small buzz. I have tried eating it too. Same tiny buzz I wish would be stronger. I would also like some information on morning glory seeds, and what a morning glory flower looks like so I could get some seeds. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/2 "2003-02-06T08:12:29Z")
The Master speaks: [Is nutmeg hallucinogenic?](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_114b.html) ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/3 "2003-02-06T08:19:56Z")
Do you smoke oregano as well **Yong**? FWIW, I have morning glories out the wazoo here in Va. ---
**Author:** ![Popup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Popup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Popup)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/4 "2003-02-06T08:27:24Z")
According to **Harold McGee** in his [_On Food and Cooking_](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684843285/qid=1044519673/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/103-6400121-8811830) (a wonderful book describing what and why we eat, and how to cook it), mentions that nutmeg does indeed have hallucinogenic properties. He claims that Malcom X used it when in prison. However, in order for it to have any effect you would have to eat two or more whole nutmegs. It also has other side effects, such as those cited by **Cecil** in the column referenced above by **Desmostylus**. All in all, don’t do it! Try instead to put some in the moussaka, or with a cheese fondue! ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/5 "2003-02-06T08:47:13Z")
From what I have heard nutmeg is probably not worth the trouble and will make you very uncomfortable and/or violently sick. Morning glory seeds also can make you sick and you’d be best to learn how to properly crush and prepare them to remove those side effects, and make sure that when you get some they don’t have pesticides or anything like that on them (like many commercially packaged seeds do.) You will get better information from a Google search on them than from posting here. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/6 "2003-02-06T13:11:46Z")
I saw a page a few years ago that claimed LSD could be made from morning glory seeds. I didn’t try it, of course. In any case, the moderators frown on “how do I use drugs” threads. ---
**Author:** ![aahala](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@aahala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aahala)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/7 "2003-02-06T13:42:01Z")
Nutmeg if taken in a small amount, is an effective home remedy for diarrhea. If taken in much greanter quantities sufficient to produce a “trip”, the second occurring 10 days later will definitely trump the first!! A most unpleasant experience of my youth. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/8 "2003-02-06T13:47:45Z")
Personally I advise against it. I think the best place\* to go for this sort of information is [http://www.erowid.com](http://www.erowid.com) \*Not that the SDMB or the SD are bad for this sort of information mind you, it’s just that I think erowid is more taylored to what you seem to be looking for… ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/9 "2003-02-06T13:50:28Z")
I and some friends went down to the garden centre when we were 16, and bought several packs of Morning Glory seeds. We got mildly hight, but terrible stomach cramp. Someone told me later that they’re treated with strychnine to discourage people from taking it. Dunno if it’s true. According to [this](http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_faq.shtml): > [@](#): > > Ingesting it results in headache, blurred and ‘fish-eye’ vision, and it also seems to counteract the psychedelic effect. For lack of a better term with the expectation that it is chemically non-descriptive, we will call this the ‘strychnine effect’ and the associated compound(s) the ‘strychnine factor’. This factor is contained in the seed husk and is miscible with petroleum ether but only slightly soluable in water. So there you go. ---
**Author:** ![FranticMad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c68b51/32.png) [@FranticMad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FranticMad)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/10 "2003-02-06T14:46:03Z")
The best way to get high with nutmeg is to sprinkle 1/4 teaspoon of it on a double chocolate cake made by a French dessert shop near where I live. Share the whole cake and 8 double espressos with a fantastically beautiful person of your favorite sex. That way, you get the wonderful high of eating chocolate and espresso, and you even get nauseated and shakey for the next 36 hours. This should safely replicate the nutmeg experience without subjecting yourself to a substance that you obviously know nothing about. ---
**Author:** ![mipiace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb9ed0/32.png) [@mipiace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipiace)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/11 "2003-02-06T14:55:25Z")
I grow Morning Glorys every year. That is NOT a good idea. Yes, you can get high from strichnine, cyanide, and jimsom weed but it’s not worth the risk. Every single partof the morning glory plant is toxic. Stick to marijuana. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/12 "2003-02-06T15:02:39Z")
Oh, and I have heard that the lethal dose of nutmeg is very close to the hallucinogenic dose, which makes it a very dodgy thing indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/13 "2003-02-06T15:11:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mipiace \* > \*\*I grow Morning Glorys every year. That is NOT a good idea. Yes, you can get high from strichnine, cyanide, and jimsom weed but it’s not worth the risk. Every single partof the morning glory plant is toxic. > > Stick to marijuana. \*\* Now if that isn’t a commercial for pot, I don’t know what is!😃 Morning Glorys _Harmless?_ Incidentally I heard that Jimsom weed (Datura) is some of the most hallucinagenic stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/14 "2003-02-06T16:10:50Z")
This reminds me of one of my favorite rants: against the idea that just because something is “natural” it must be good for you. An aquaintance of mine announced that he had heard on some website somewhere that Amenita Muscaria (sp?) mushrooms were hallucenogenic, and he was going to find some and try it. I said something along the lines of “the stuff may indeed be hallucenogenic, when prepared by experienced Siberian shamans who have had years of experience in how to prepare it, in which kinds are good, and in what quantities to take. However, it could well be quite poisionous for some guy to get a tip off a website, and go around eating random mushrooms he thinks are the right ones”. To which he replied “it is all-natural, how can it be bad for you?” To which I said, “you can be very naturally poisioned and dead if you make a mistake. I assume this is better than being artificially poisioned and dead, somehow …”. Haven’t heard if he actually made the experiment or not. ---
**Author:** ![FranticMad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c68b51/32.png) [@FranticMad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FranticMad)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/15 "2003-02-06T17:45:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Malthus \* > \*\*This reminds me of one of my favorite rants: against the idea that just because something is “natural” it must be good for you. > \*\* Extracted from “Things That Will Kill You Horribly In Australia - Volume 17”. "…Australia has more things that can kill you in a very nasty way than anywhere else. This is a country where even the fluffiest caterpillars can lay you out with a toxic nip, where sea-shells will not just sting you but actually go for you. If you are not stung or pronged to death in some unexpected manner, you may be fatally chomped by sharks of crocodiles, or carried helplessly out to sea by irresistible currents, or left to stagger to an unhappy death in the baking outback." The world’s ten most poisonous snakes - all Australian…" There is a plant in the Australian jungle that, if you merely touch it, will cause an agonizingly painful sore that lasts for days and can end up killing you. (from Bill Bryson’s “Down Under”) ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/16 "2003-02-06T17:54:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FranticMad \* > \*\*Extracted from “Things That Will Kill You Horribly In Australia - Volume 17”. > > "…Australia has more things that can kill you in a very nasty way than anywhere else. > > This is a country where even the fluffiest caterpillars can lay you out with a toxic nip, where sea-shells will not just sting you but actually go for you. If you are not stung or pronged to death in some unexpected manner, you may be fatally chomped by sharks of crocodiles, or carried helplessly out to sea by irresistible currents, or left to stagger to an unhappy death in the baking outback." > > The world’s ten most poisonous snakes - all Australian…" > > There is a plant in the Australian jungle that, if you merely touch it, will cause an agonizingly painful sore that lasts for days and can end up killing you. > (from Bill Bryson’s “Down Under”) \*\* “…but all of these things are _natural_, and therefore must be better for you than nasty artificial stuff …” 😃 [Note to self: do not go to Australia!] ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/17 "2003-02-06T23:11:21Z")
Good thing the OP didn’t ask about **Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds** (shh! don’t tell 'im!). Because on the one hand _Argyreia nervosa_ is much more powerfully psychotropic than morning glory (_Ipomoeia violacea_), while on the other hand they’re also more nauseating. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nutmeg-high-and-morning-glory-seeds/153166/18 "2003-02-07T00:04:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*The Master speaks: [Is nutmeg hallucinogenic?](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_114b.html) \*\* I think we’re gonna leave it at that.