# Nvidia has officially revealed their RTX 4000 series lineup of PC graphics cards. Opinions? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** computer-hardware\ **Created:** [September 20, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934 "2022-09-20T20:55:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/21 "2022-09-22T12:31:54Z")
I saw this on [Reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/xksld1/one_of_them_is_not_like_the_others/): One of these is not like the others: [![](https://i.redd.it/vq0bjcg4jcp91.png) ](https://i.redd.it/vq0bjcg4jcp91.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/22 "2022-09-22T12:34:52Z")
I can’t wait to see what EVGA does with this chip… Too soon? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/23 "2022-09-22T14:40:00Z")
To go with that someone in the Reddit thread posted this (along the lines of the table @Pleonast posted above but with xx60 prices): | Card | Release | MSRP | Adjusted | | --- | --- | --- | --- | | 4080 | 2022 | 899 | 899 | | 3060 | 2021 | 329 | 360 | | 2060 | 2018 | 349 | 412 | | 1060 | 2016 | 249 | 307 | | 960 | 2015 | 199 | 249 | | 760 | 2013 | 250 | 318 | | 660ti | 2012 | 299 | 385 | ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/24 "2022-09-22T15:59:08Z")
So, Nvidia has decided to play the unalloyed naked cash grab card. I mean, beyond their previous levels of naked cash grab. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/25 "2022-09-22T16:36:08Z")
Be interesting to see if AMD prices significantly lower to make themselves the more attractive option (even if fewer features) or sees it as a green light to bump prices themselves ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/26 "2022-09-22T18:30:25Z")
Supposedly AMD is revealing their new RDNA card lineup on November 3 (I think). If you (general “you”) are in the market for a new card I would definitely wait and see. I have read the new RDNA cards have crazy clock speeds out of the box (like 4GHz) but Nvidia cards still have more overall horsepower. Regardless of the truth I would wait a month to see how it plays out. I fully expect them to be less expensive. The question is how much less? Will they stick it to Nvidia or charge as much as they can while being a bit cheaper? I suspect the latter. If they seriously undercut Nvidia then Nvidia could just lower prices to match (or be close enough). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/27 "2022-09-22T21:13:37Z")
[Somebody has spent today trying to keep all 4000 series criticism off the relevant Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=GeForce_40_series&action=history) having declared it the work of AMD fanbois. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/28 "2022-09-22T21:32:45Z")
The IPs removing that info have been blocked. I’m tempted to try to drop a note about the need to discuss this with the relevant parties in that content dispute (and avoid edit-warring), but another admin is handling it, so I don’t think it’s necessary. This kind of thing happens constantly there. That’s part of what an admin does, dealing with this stuff. (Actually, handling content disputes is the main job of an admin.) ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/29 "2022-09-22T23:38:08Z")
Some more details on the upcoming AMD cards. The picture below is speculation and was [grabbed from this YouTube channel.](https://youtu.be/qnx01P4KKPM?t=599) I have NO idea if he is right. The equivalent (supposedly) to a RTX 4090 would be the next to last card in the list…the RX 7950 XT. Again…big grain of salt. Until these hit the streets and we see independent testing done and actual retail prices this is all guessing. [![](https://i.imgur.com/yZ3Qmci.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/yZ3Qmci.png) ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/30 "2022-09-22T23:52:48Z")
I think they decided they are going to be limited by the chip shortage for a while anyway. Why let the scalpers double the price when they can do it themselves? ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/31 "2022-09-23T11:16:59Z")
I was looking forward to upgrading my 2070 super to a 4080 but I will be waiting for the prices to drop substantially, by which time the 50 series will probably be coming out… ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/32 "2022-09-23T11:37:36Z")
My God, that sounds monstrous!! My approach has always been that “number one” is going to be too overpriced and not dramatically superior to the 2nd tier cards, so I have never bought “number one” in the past. So, were I in the market for a new card, I’d probably go with the 12 Gig card. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/33 "2022-09-24T06:02:12Z")
Consider that there is a really good chance you will need to upgrade your PSU to run these cards. I am not sure about the 4080 (either of them) but the 4090 needs and ATX 3.0 power supply to run well (there are adapters for older power supplies but [there is concern about those](https://youtu.be/K6FiGEAp928) ). Nvidia recommends a minimum of an 850w power supply for the 4090. So, add a few hundred more dollars to the price. Also, ATX 3.0 power supplies are only barely hitting the streets now. You may find them difficult to find and priced at a premium for a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/34 "2022-09-24T14:29:25Z")
In for a penny, in for a pound These are enthusiast cards. The only reason to be buying them is if you’re going to be running top end processors (and overclocking them) which is also going to increasingly require a new PSU because motherboard power standards are changing away from the old 24-pin as well. And, of course, a high refresh rate 4k screen… at least until you can start getting 8k screens. According to the Steam Hardware survey, the average PC gamer is on a 1080p screen and using _probably_ a non-overclocked i5 processor, likely a couple generations old (it doesn’t break it down by retail processors but the most common is a 6-core Intel at 2.3-2.6GHz). Only 2.54% of users are gaming at 4k, only 2.6% of users have a 12-core (like an i7-12700) processor and only 0.7% have a 16-core like an i9-12900. While having to buy a new PSU might be annoying, if you’re not in that group you shouldn’t be seriously considering one of these cards and should be waiting for the 4070 or below models (or trying to buy a cheap 3000-series when you can). If you’re not in that group and want to significantly upgrade, you should be waiting for the new power standard anyway so your PSU is better than for one remaining generation. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/35 "2022-09-24T16:32:04Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > According to the Steam Hardware survey, the average PC gamer is on a 1080p screen and using _probably_ a non-overclocked i5 processor, likely a couple generations old That’s me! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/36 "2022-09-25T12:36:51Z")
My 1070Ti runs everything at max settings smoothly on my 1080p screen. I may upgrade to a 3070 or 4070 eventually but see no need now. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/37 "2022-09-25T14:25:21Z")
I doubt there will be full debugged driver support for the juiciest bits for months after release. You’d get nearly as much practical value by putting the card in a display case. ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/38 "2022-09-25T15:26:34Z")
Well said. I play on a 3440x1440 older ultrawide that can run at 100hz, with my 2070 super, I push the graphics as high as I can while getting 50 - 60 fps. An upgrade to a 4080 (or 3090 ti?) would let me run at 100hz in ultra settings in most games, at least that’s the dream 🙂 If I hadn’t just dropped 1500 bucks on a bunch of Virpil gear I would probably be less hesitant for the current pricing scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/39 "2022-09-25T15:56:04Z")
> [@FordPrefect](#): > > If I hadn’t just dropped 1500 bucks on a bunch of Virpil gear I would probably be less hesitant for the current pricing scheme. They did showcase MS Flight Simulator as benefitting a lot from the new cards. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934/40 "2022-09-25T16:04:17Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > These are enthusiast cards. I disagree. The 4090 is an enthusiast card. The 16GB 4080 is middle of the road and the 12GB 4080 is really a 4070 or even 4060 (by some measures) entry level card. And those 4080s are very expensive for what they are (4090 seems in the ballpark pricewise but also expensive). Gone are the days of being able to build a solid PC for $1500-2000 when the video cards cost this much. Those are the cards people new to PC gaming will be buying. Once the 30xx stock sells out they’ll need to buy the 40xx stuff. Same for people whose 10xx/20xx card dies and they need a replacement. That or people will have to buy used cards. (I am ignoring AMD here for the moment.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nvidia-has-officially-revealed-their-rtx-4000-series-lineup-of-pc-graphics-cards-opinions/971934.md?page=3)