# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2082 "2024-02-16T20:17:53Z")
Said it before, saying it again: > One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. ― Carl Sagan ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2083 "2024-02-16T20:19:55Z")
Always hate to see typos in such important docs. “…outlining the specify authority…” ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2084 "2024-02-16T20:22:49Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I’m just hoping, $80 million judgment against Carroll, plus $360 million judgment and restrictions on business dealings. Based on fraud and slander. Keep piling them up and hopefully enough know-nothings and stay-at-homers might realize, “Gee, maybe this ISN’T the sorta guy we want having the most powerful job on the planet!” Right. Any undecided voters out there who think Biden might be too old for a second term (or too soft on Israel, or whatever) should be constantly reminded who the alternative is. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2085 "2024-02-16T20:28:01Z")
Of course, we’d better brace to be disappointed when we see his numbers jump in the polls, and he uses this to fleece his rubes more! 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2086 "2024-02-16T20:29:42Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > NY Times says that the appeal process is similar to the civil judgment against Trump in the Carroll case, i.e. he will have to stump up around $400mm (including interest) in cash or bond within 30 days in order to appeal… \< dances a happy dance \> ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2087 "2024-02-16T20:29:44Z")
Accountability for Trump is a rare thing, worthy of celebration! 🍾 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2088 "2024-02-16T20:30:47Z")
$364 million! How many classified documents would you need to sell to recoup your losses? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2089 "2024-02-16T20:31:57Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Accountability for Trump is a rare thing, worthy of celebration! He had to be expecting this, but still, it has to hurt. Things are no going his way in court recently. And with a few criminal trials on the horizon, he should be a little worried, at least. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2090 "2024-02-16T20:34:34Z")
[f203be39-020c-4f82-a423-96aa20c08e3a.pdf (washingtonpost.com)](https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/f203be39-020c-4f82-a423-96aa20c08e3a.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_3) the 92 pg pdf of the judgment. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2091 "2024-02-16T20:34:36Z")
I’m surprised that The Biden Crime Family™ had this much clout! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2092 "2024-02-16T20:34:48Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m not familiar with NY procedure, but generally you can appeal without posting a bond, but it doesn’t stay the judgment. I believe this is true. However, if the judgment is not stayed (by posting bond), the plaintiffs can begin the process of collecting. They can go after Trump’s stake in Trump World Tower, Trump Tower, Trump Palace, the Trump International Hotel & Tower and the 1290 Avenue of the Americas building. Forbes values his portion of these properties at $720 million. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2093 "2024-02-16T20:35:47Z")
Yes thanks @JohnT What does this mean though? Yeah, he hopefully will be on the hook for bigly $$$$. But can’t he just appoint some other scumbag to run his NY businesses and direct the criminal activity from behind? Perhaps Jared or Ivanka? And siphon money out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2094 "2024-02-16T20:37:59Z")
Bank loans are his life blood, and he cannot do business with NY banks—that’s a _lot_ of them. Also, I think the judge overseeing this going forward is specifically to prevent shenanigans such as a fig leaf leader. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2095 "2024-02-16T20:39:36Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They can go after Trump’s stake in Trump World Tower, Trump Tower, Trump Palace, the Trump International Hotel & Tower and the 1290 Avenue of the Americas building. Forbes values his portion of these properties at $720 million. And the Chicago Trump Tower? Please? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2096 "2024-02-16T20:40:38Z")
No bank is going to give up doing business in NY State to keep the Trump’s business. I also would like to note that interest is going to be applied to these fines, accrued since the occurrence(s). Some reporting I am hearing is saying an additional $90 million will be owed, making the fines Trump is accountable for could exceed $450 million. Now I just need an additional $14.5 million to be added so I can win the contest. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2097 "2024-02-16T20:41:04Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What does this mean though? Yeah, he hopefully will be on the hook for bigly $$$$. But can’t he just appoint some other scumbag to run his NY businesses and direct the criminal activity from behind? Perhaps Jared or Ivanka? And siphon money out of it. I’m not sure, because I’ve only been half-listening, but I believe that part of the judgment dictates that an independent third party will be appointed to oversee Trump Org. (etc.) businesses and interests. So no Jared or Ivanka or anybody else connected with the Trump Org. Anybody know for sure? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2098 "2024-02-16T20:42:04Z")
I’m looking forward to his reaction on truthxitter. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2099 "2024-02-16T20:42:05Z")
At least the sign on the building. How much can they get for that? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2100 "2024-02-16T20:42:57Z")
An additional $4 million each for Don Jr and Eric. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2101 "2024-02-16T20:44:45Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > But can’t he just appoint some other scumbag to run his NY businesses and direct the criminal activity from behind? The businesses are enjoined from applying for financing from banks in New York for the next three years. So even if he’s not controlling them, they can’t get financing for three years. That would presumably make it hard to do business, even if nominally under someone else’s control. As well, if someone takes formal control but is doing Trump’s bidding, that may lead to contempt or even criminal fraud issues, I would think, for trying to circumvent a court order? As always, IANAUSL, but that’s what that paragraph of the order suggests to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=106)