# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/201 "2022-09-27T20:19:38Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > In theory, Trump could be blocked under the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment. In practice, that would be a destructive **violation of democratic norms.** You mean after the sedate and civil political atmosphere we’ve enjoyed these last few years? _Perish forbid._🙄 ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/202 "2022-09-27T21:33:13Z")
It’s the ol’ _but what if we don’t_ gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/203 "2022-10-02T12:09:57Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > What do you hate? He hates that too! What dirty little secret do you have? He shares it! What sick thing do you desire? He’ll help you get it! (On your dime of course.) It’s not hard or complicated, if you’re willing to just fucking lie about everything. Any of us could do it, were we sufficiently amoral. So, if you’re looking for his “superpower”, well there it is: He’s an amoral liar. The best amoral liar anyone ever seen! A big strong con-man came up to him one time, and with tears in his eyes said, “Sir, I’ve never seen any able to lie amorally better than you!” ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/204 "2022-11-04T02:34:07Z")
Trump has filed a suit to stop James’ lawsuit. The only thing is, he filed it in Florida. I don’t think Florida law can affect a lawsuit in NY. Gift link: > **[Trump Files a Suit Against N.Y.’s Attorney General, and Against Advice](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/03/nyregion/trump-lawsuit-ny-attorney-general.html?unlocked_article_code=9rkuoTQuKvBjwCbKPetdNZokuN_1JB7X_eFlc1gqw5LPpst6Q1OYPmWuHAXZmSflV9eYuvdyfsnhRwBT8AQNEOHojjkmU6lheuUXW27jsjIp0xySR69JCa4KwlFrc6wjH1nhnO3mgStXiRq7I3oUQiEWkIcMvMQRUt0T8WUSd_aJ-UcDSoNCBsCAC6Z05TKh_YfSQK9I6omxGAnAcl7_AnNN_2_jUaOWv6pWEjtri9HomSfUv-IwcCND5HHbxJYdtM-y760AY4MxJjSmO4Rb4WNgTtJ3WMF_eyFCQQaOFpGBHpQEteY3BcpNoaTgpF-uDfGzBlNndnNa8Q_hOwgL1ZpzeEjzw2PiiuWbfyM&smid=share-url)** > > The case, filed in Florida, seeks to stop Letitia James’s lawsuit in New York and includes Mr. Trump’s signature rhetoric. His legal advisers are split on the wisdom of filing it. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/205 "2022-11-04T02:42:44Z")
Did he file it with Judge Cannon? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/206 "2022-11-04T02:44:51Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Trump has filed a suit to stop James’ lawsuit. What a gratifying story this is to read. Looks like NYAG James’s efforts are really beginning to bite. When Boris Epshteyn is your “best” attorney, that’s a bad, bad day. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/207 "2022-11-04T03:15:34Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Did he file it with Judge Cannon? I’m sure he wished he could. But “Loose” Cannon is a federal judge and this lawsuit was filed in a state court. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/208 "2022-11-04T03:27:57Z")
Filed in a state court? LOL! Oh, right, like that court would have any jurisdiction over another state’s legal proceedings. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/209 "2022-11-04T03:46:01Z")
Well, it’s in their playbook. Don’t you remember how the [Texas AG sued](https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-sues-battleground-states-unconstitutional-changes-2020-election-laws) about the way four other states conducted their elections? A lawsuit, unfortunately, our Arizona AG joined in. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/210 "2022-11-04T04:02:14Z")
Ah, but that was the state itself suing in the U.S. Supreme Court over a federal election, and it got tossed out. This is a suit brought in a state court by a private party trying to meddle in another state’s business. Can you say “frivolous”? “Abuse of process”? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/211 "2022-11-04T04:08:42Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > A lawsuit, unfortunately, our Arizona AG joined in. As did our Kansas AG. Now he’s running for governor. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/212 "2022-11-04T04:59:44Z")
Ours tried to get the R nod for Senator but was beat by an even bigger MAGAt who T\*\*\*\* endorsed. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/213 "2022-11-04T05:04:20Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > This is a suit brought in a state court by a private party trying to meddle in another state’s business. Can you say “frivolous”? “Abuse of process”? At the very least, it should be tossed as being filed in the wrong jurisdiction. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/214 "2022-11-04T05:21:20Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Filed in a state court? LOL! Oh, right, like that court would have any jurisdiction over another state’s legal proceedings. The crux of the issue seems to be that The Trump Organization is controlled by a trust agreement, which trust includes estate planning information Mr. Trump does not believe he should have to disclose. To that extent he has a point - although the Trump Organization has assets in New York, New York has no business looking through which descendant would receive which assets when Mr. Trump dies. I don’t understand why the trust administrator cannot simply censor the estate planning portions. I also don’t understand why he isn’t challenging the subpoena directly. Or is A.G. James somehow able to issue an interstate subpoena without being subject to Florida’s courts? Don’t they need letters rogatory or something to issue the subpoena _in Florida_? To the question of jurisdiction. The primary theory of _jurisdiction_ advanced is that 1. A.G. James’s actions in the New York civil case (paragraphs 97 and 102 in [the complaint](https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/donald-trump-lawsuit-against-a-g/73596cd3daf0928b/full.pdf)) show an actual request for a copy of the trust agreement (exhibit A) and supposedly intent to obtain “a preliminary injunction to restrain and supervise […] President Trump’s Florida revocable trust” (paragraphs 97-98); and 2. A.G. James’s request for a copy of the trust agreement or supposed intent to obtain a preliminary injunction to restrain and supervise the trust constitute acceptance or exercise of a delegation of powers or duties from the trustee of a Florida trust (this premise is UNSTATED in the complaint); and 3. any person who accepts or exercises a delegation of powers or duties from the trustee of a Florida trust, whether the person is a citizen or resident in Florida or not, submits to the jurisdiction of Florida courts (paragraph 24, [Fla. stat. 736.0202](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0736/Sections/0736.0202.html)(2)). Therefore, 4. A.G. James submits to the jurisdiction of Florida courts. I don’t think point #2 is proven to my satisfaction. Maybe an actual lawyer or paralegal can clear this up, but I don’t believe requesting a copy of a trust agreement can be construed as “accepting […] a _delegation_ of powers or duties”. It could be argued - but the complaint does not do so - that the person making a copy of a trust agreement is duty-bound to maintain the document’s confidentiality, which duty is delegated to the recipient of the copy. But this duty would only be “accepted” when the document itself is recieved, unless it is accepted explicitly in writing beforehand. A.G. James hasn’t received a copy of the trust agreement yet, so how could she have accepted a delegation of power or duty from the trustee? And if she hasn’t accepted a delegation of power or duty, she _definitely_ hasn’t submitted herself to the jurisdiction of the courts in Florida. If she hasn’t submitted herself to Florida’s jurisdiction, how can Florida issue an injunction against her? Relying on intent to obtain a preliminary injunction to restrain and supervise the trust is even less solid for the same reasons. This is before even getting to potential full faith and credit considerations or traditional minimum contacts doctrine, both of which are considered part of the federal Constitution and thus carved out from the above linked Florida statute. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/215 "2022-11-04T11:24:01Z")
That’s amazing! THat’s going onto Facebook 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2022, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/216 "2022-11-04T12:01:43Z")
It’s already there. But go ahead and spread it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/217 "2023-04-27T02:41:22Z")
_Ivanka has got her own lawyers, no longer relying on the same team that her brothers, Dumb and Dumber, are using._ **Don Jr** : “Ivanka, why are you wearing a knife on your hip?” **Ivanka** : “It’s one of the latest fashion accessories for women; shows I’m a true independent, strong woman.” **Eric** : “Gee, it looks awfully sharp.” **Ivanka** : “That’s the point - shows I’m in control.” **Don Jr** : “Oh, that’s neat.” **Ivanka** : “Look over there - aren’t those girls pretty? Is one of them actually topless?” _Dumb and Dumber turn their backs on Ivanka…_ > **[Ivanka Trump Ditches Attorneys In Fraud Suit, Splitting From Don Jr. And Eric](https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2023/04/26/ivanka-trump-ditches-attorneys-in-fraud-suit-splitting-from-don-jr-and-eric/?sh=690f0278256b)** > > Ivanka Trump replaced the lawyers she shared with her brothers in the New York attorney general’s lawsuit on Friday, according to a court filing. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/218 "2023-09-26T20:35:41Z")
!!! > ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/219 "2023-09-26T20:36:46Z")
(God, I hope this is the right Trump legal thread!) 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/220 "2023-09-26T20:38:48Z")
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