# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2282 "2024-02-21T15:13:44Z")
I wanted to post this to make fun of it. But now I see it’s already raised nearly $1 million. And I bet you most of those people can’t afford it. [https://www](https://www). .com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement?qid=f8234a0c8ed5ec3116e70f3cb15c79e7 I’m pretty sure there isn’t a politician in my lifetime to whom I’d give money even if I did think he was being railroaded for political reasons. This is both sad and scary ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2283 "2024-02-21T15:16:57Z")
One of the thigns Trump ran on was that his incredible wealth made him incorruptable. I really don’t get why anyone would donate to a billionaire like this. Someone should start asking Republicans like Majorie Taylor Green how much she’s sent to support Trump. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2284 "2024-02-21T15:33:14Z")
**Moderating** : Please don’t link to fundraising sites. Please don’t do this again. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2285 "2024-02-21T15:33:55Z")
If you can stomach it, go to the site and read some of the comments posted by donors. The upshot is that they firmly believe Joe Biden is the anti-Christ and Donnie is the Messiah. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2286 "2024-02-21T15:56:21Z")
**Moderating** : Please do not link to fundraising site. Please do not do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2287 "2024-02-21T18:17:33Z")
Just read an article that Trump’s lawyer has submitted a demand to Engoron that they be allowed to negotiate the settlement??? WT actual F? It included the statement that Trump “was not allowed” to defend himself. Isn’t that what an appeal is? Is this actually a thing? [Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawyer-clifford-robert-asks-judge-engoron-lifeline-new-york-civil-fraud-ruling-1872137) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2288 "2024-02-21T18:19:49Z")
LOL, seriously? What an idiot. Hey, dipshit, the time to negotiate a settlement is _before_ the trial, not after. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2289 "2024-02-21T18:22:19Z")
> [@Tride](#): > > Just read an article that Trump’s lawyer has submitted a demand to Engoron that they be allowed to negotiate the settlement??? That’s not how I read the defendants’ letter. They want an opportunity to be heard before a final judgment is entered. The AG submitted their proposed form of a final judgment yesterday, and they are asking for a chance to submit their own, and to be heard on it. It doesn’t seem to seek a “settlement.” > As the Court of Appeals explained in Funk v. Barry, 89 N.Y.2d 364, 367 (1996), the > appropriate procedural mechanism for submitting a judgment to the Clerk of the Court “for more complicated dispositions, such as orders involving restraints or contemplating a set of follow-up procedures” is a directive to “settle order.” “Because the decision ordinarily entails more complicated relief, the instruction contemplates notice to the opponent so that both parties may either agree on a draft or prepare counter proposals to be settled before the court ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2290 "2024-02-21T18:22:55Z")
> [@Tride](#): > > Just read an article that Trump’s lawyer has submitted a demand to Engoron that they be allowed to negotiate the settlement??? WT actual F? It included the statement that Trump “was not allowed” to defend himself. Isn’t that what an appeal is? Is this actually a thing? [Newsweek](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawyer-clifford-robert-asks-judge-engoron-lifeline-new-york-civil-fraud-ruling-1872137) There I am in another thread saying I don’t get mad at Trump’s outrageous behavior because I’m just fatigued by all the outrage. But reading this made me laugh out loud. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2291 "2024-02-21T18:25:21Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > That’s not how I read the defendants’ letter. They want an opportunity to be heard before a final judgment is entered. Ah, ok. I withdraw my derisive comments. If they’re doing something they’re entitled to do under the law, I’m fine with that. Although I hope Engoron denies it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2292 "2024-02-21T18:26:07Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Although I hope Engoron denies it. If I were the judge, I’d let them submit their own proposed judgment, and set a hearing where they could argue for it. Then I’d go with the AG’s form. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2293 "2024-02-21T18:26:48Z")
I’m pretty sure that’s what Engoron will do. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2294 "2024-02-21T18:37:24Z")
A lot of this (by my lay reading) seems to hinge on whether Engoron asked for a proposal and, if so, what kind. Counterproposals only come into play **if** the court directs the parties to “settle.” If the directive was to “submit order,” then only the prevailing party submits. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Funk v Barry appears to be irrelevant; it’s a case about whether a statutory 60-day time limit on proposed judgements applies when the decision contains no directive for either “settling” or “submitting.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2295 "2024-02-21T18:45:29Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Ah, ok. I withdraw my derisive comments. If they’re doing something they’re entitled to do under the law, I’m fine with that. > > Although I hope Engoron denies it… It seems to me, this is just part of the Trump strategy of Delay, Delay, Delay. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2296 "2024-02-21T18:47:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It seems to me, this is just part of the Trump strategy of Delay, Delay, Delay. It can happen pretty fast, and interest is running. But it might extend by a week or so the date he’ll have to post the bond for appeal. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2297 "2024-02-21T18:51:56Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > But it might extend by a week or so the date he’ll have to post the bond for appeal. OR the date he files for personal bankruptcy, thus delaying the payments until 2025. Pinning his hopes on becoming Dear Supreme Leader, wiping out all his judgements and jailing his opposition. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2298 "2024-02-21T18:58:26Z")
Would personal bankruptcy have any effect at all? Since his multitude of business entities are co-defendants, wouldn’t the state still have the power to place claims against all his business assets? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2299 "2024-02-21T19:08:57Z")
I believe the only point would be to further delay things, and to tie it up in court some more so that Trump does not have to cough up with the money for appeal. Delay, Delay, Delay. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2300 "2024-02-21T19:42:43Z")
Hmmm. Ok. Has anyone read the AG’s form? Is it substantially different from Engoron’s judgement? ---
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