# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2342 "2024-02-23T00:49:41Z")
I wonder if he just won’t appeal if he can’t pay the bond and then will make up some excuse about how he wanted to appeal but the crooked left wing courts in New York wouldn’t let him, and when they start taking his stuff away, it’s theft the likes of which the world has never seen. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2343 "2024-02-23T00:56:37Z")
Engoron formally signed the judgment today, so the 30-day clock started today. It looks like March 23rd is the deadline. > **[N.Y. judge signs $350 million judgment against Trump in business fraud case](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/21/trump-civil-fraud-judgment-new-york-engoron/)** > > Trump lawyers seek delay in enforcement of a more than $350 million judgment in the New York civil fraud case. > The docket was updated Thursday afternoon to show Engoron had signed the judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2344 "2024-02-23T01:00:59Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > It looks like March 23rd is the deadline. Beware the week after the Ides of March! ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2345 "2024-02-23T01:03:54Z")
Correct me if I’m wrong (entirely possible), but I was given to understand that he can appeal without escrow or bond, the difference being that doing so wouldn’t stop collection. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2346 "2024-02-23T01:07:34Z")
Gotta mark this on my calendar. March 23. Along with Monday, March 10, which is the deadline for Trump to cough up with the $83 million in the J. Carroll defamation case (if he wants to file an appeal) Edit: New York Election interference trial is to start with Jury selection March 25. Is there a thread for this one? Edit edit - is this the Stormy Daniels one? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2347 "2024-02-23T01:11:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Along with Monday, March 10, which is the deadline for Trump to cough up with the $83 million in the J. Carroll defamation case (if he wants to file an appeal) My guess is Trump will not provide bonds in either case. He cares about money more than anything else and if he posts a bond chances are that money is gone. Instead, he will go back to Trump-101 and delay, delay, delay. He will make Carroll and James chase him for years for every dime. Declare bankruptcy and let them squabble over who gets what (along with all other creditors). ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2348 "2024-02-23T01:12:12Z")
I’ve heard multiple experts confirm this. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2349 "2024-02-23T01:12:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Gotta mark this on my calendar. March 23. And he’s right back in court on March 25th for the Stormy Daniels trial. ETA: sorry, I see you had posted exactly that already ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2350 "2024-02-23T01:16:35Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > My guess is Trump will not provide bonds in either case. An interesting aspect that I hadn’t considered before is that even if has good unencumbered assets that he can use as collateral, when he loses the appeal and doesn’t repay the bond the lender is potentially faced with enforcement against a sitting President. That’s a really unattractive prospect for any lender. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2351 "2024-02-23T01:20:50Z")
Is this going to delay the delivery of my “Never Surrender” sneakers? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2352 "2024-02-23T01:23:38Z")
I can’t imagine any normal bank/lender to want to do business with Trump. At least not without huge guarantees up-front that they can count on. Trump has proven to be a very unreliable business partner and, no matter their political outlook, bankers are about the money first. Trump’s only chance, I think, is he really is actually super wealthy and has loads of cash (unlikely) or a true believer billionaire comes to his rescue. Someone with the cash and willingness to lose that cash to support Trump to the tune of a half billion dollars. My guess is billionaires tend to like their money more than their ideals but who knows? Heck, I doubt his own kids would give him a loan (assuming they had enough to matter). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2353 "2024-02-23T01:25:38Z")
He can ask for help from Lindell and Jones… oh… wait… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2354 "2024-02-23T01:50:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Declare bankruptcy and let them squabble over who gets what (along with all other creditors). I still think that in this event, they should sell the debt to a collector and let them go after Trump. A really unpleasant debt collection company. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2355 "2024-02-23T01:51:44Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > potentially faced with enforcement against a sitting President. That’s a really unattractive prospect for any lender. Absolutely. That would have to be factored into the fees they will charge. Even if he wins on appeal (highly doubtful) or gets the amount reduced (possible), He’ll still lose those fees. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2356 "2024-02-23T01:58:53Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Add some more to the list. > > [Donald Trump Business Bankruptcies: List and Reasons](https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019) Only six? What about his other business failures? Trump Vodka? Trump Steaks? Trump University? Did they fail without filing for bankruptcy? ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2357 "2024-02-23T02:10:36Z")
It didn’t say if the judge ruled on this, but [there was another interesting request](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-asks-judge-delay-penalties-civil-fraud-case/story?id=107433418) made by Trump’s attorneys to change the address of six of his businesses to Florida. > Amer also objected to a change proposed by Robert to move the address of six of Trump’s businesses – which are defendants in the case – from New York to Florida. > > “Finally, the Court should reject Defendants’ attempt to change the business address of six entity Defendants to Florida as the record establishes those entities are located in Trump Tower at 725 5th Avenue in New York, the office building in which the executives who carry out the business activities of those entities work,” Amer wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2358 "2024-02-23T02:14:42Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > Is this going to delay the delivery of my “Never Surrender” sneakers? He might have to surrender them all in order to pay the judgement, which would be really sweet. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2359 "2024-02-23T02:17:44Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What about his other business failures? For Trump U, it closed in 2011 after sucking as much money out of the Rubes as possible. Trump settled a couple of class action suits in 2016 by paying $25 million to the people he screwed over. (Actually, Trump paid nothing; his Las Vegas hotel business partner, billionaire Phil Ruffin paid it.) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2360 "2024-02-23T02:21:43Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What about his other business failures? Trump Vodka? Trump Vodka was just a licensing deal; Trump did not own a stake in it, he just sold his name. Interestingly, in In 2007, Drinks Americas (the manufacturer) signed a deal to export 50,000 cases of Trump Vodka annually to Russia. Russia keeps coming up again and again when talking about Trump, doesn’t it. The brand was discontinued in 2011, I presume because it smelled like armpit, sweat, butt and makeup. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2361 "2024-02-23T02:25:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I presume because it smelled like armpit, sweat, butt and makeup. And disappointment. I’m sure it mostly smells like disappointment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=119)