# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/221 "2023-09-26T20:40:25Z")
I think so. There’s only one NYAG thread so far as i know. This is the action that just a few days ago was being discussed (in NYT?) because Trump was seeking to dismiss based on a NY Appeals court ruling. Guess the trial judge wasn’t buying it. Sanctions on counsel is a serious step; not the kind of thing one wants on one’s bar history. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/222 "2023-09-26T20:41:18Z")
Possible implications: > ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/223 "2023-09-26T20:42:42Z")
> **[Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks, insurers while building real estate...](https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-donald-trump-defrauded-202326707.html)** > > A judge ruled Tuesday that Donald Trump committed fraud for years while building the real estate empire that catapulted him to fame and the White House, and he ordered some of the former president's companies removed from his control and dissolved. ... A judge has ruled that Donald Trump committed fraud for years while building the real estate empire that catapulted him to fame and the White House. Judge Art… One count down, six more to go. I didn’t realize this was going to be a non-jury trial. Was it always set to be that way, or did something change? Is it a bench trial with just the judge and lawyers? > The decision, days before the start of a non-jury trial in Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit, is the strongest repudiation yet of Trump’s carefully coiffed image as a wealthy and shrewd real estate mogul turned political powerhouse. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/224 "2023-09-26T20:43:15Z")
The kitchen staff at Mar-a-Lago better have a _case_ of ketchup handy. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/225 "2023-09-26T20:45:56Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > One count down, six more to go. I didn’t realize this was going to be a non-jury trial. Was it always set to be that way, or did something change? Is it a bench trial with just the judge and lawyers? I believe this was granted on a motion for summary judgment – the Defendant’s motion, no less! That basically means that the judge found there was so little evidence to defend against the causes of action brought by the Plaintiff that there was no need for a full trial. Evidence already presented is sufficient for a judgment. IOW: Ouch! ETA: I guess there were competing motions for summary judgment. Trump’s was denied in full, and Letitia James’s was granted in part and denied in part. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/226 "2023-09-26T20:46:16Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > I didn’t realize this was going to be a non-jury trial. At a guess, because the remedy sought was the cancellation of corporate certificates. That sort of remedy under corporate law doesn’t sound like the kind of thing that goes to a jury. But what do i know about NY court procedure? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/227 "2023-09-26T20:49:33Z")
I see that Yahoo News has republished the NYT article i was thinking of (linked under the article linked by @MulderMuffin ) > **[2 Looming Rulings Could Shape Trump’s Fraud Trial in New York](https://news.yahoo.com/2-looming-rulings-could-shape-115509739.html)** > > After four years of investigating and litigating, Letitia James was finally due for her day in court against Donald Trump. But with that day fast approaching — a trial in her civil fraud lawsuit against him is scheduled to start Oct. 2 — the former... ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/228 "2023-09-26T20:54:08Z")
I’m sure someone will let me know if I’m wrong, but I believe these rulings may also be used as a basis for criminal charges if the New York AG decides to bring them. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/229 "2023-09-26T20:58:19Z")
As other posters have commented over the past year, running for President was the worst mistake of Trump’s life. He could have stayed a big shot rich New York grifter, but noooo! He voluntarily put himself under the presidential microscope. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/230 "2023-09-26T21:03:11Z")
Well, Eugene Debs did it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/231 "2023-09-26T21:12:49Z")
Eugene Debbs - another victim of the socialist Marxist Deep State! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/232 "2023-09-26T21:17:59Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m sure someone will let me know if I’m wrong, but I believe these rulings may also be used as a basis for criminal charges if the New York AG decides to bring them. Does the AG NY have criminal jurisdiction? I thought only the DA’s did, but whatta I know. One of the articles said that the Manhattan DA has already passed on criminal charges on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/233 "2023-09-26T21:20:15Z")
@Aspenglow , I think we’re both posting to the wrong thread! (Oooh, suggesting that to a mod! 😵‍💫 ) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/234 "2023-09-26T21:24:13Z")
LOL, you’re right. The January 7th 2021 and beyond thread is a general thread for posting any and all fallout that arose out of the storming of the Capitol. And I started it! I’ll move our posts. 🙂 Thanks for bringing this to my attention. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/235 "2023-09-26T21:30:16Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > As other posters have commented over the past year, running for President was the worst mistake of Trump’s life. He could have stayed a big shot rich New York grifter, but noooo! He voluntarily put himself under the presidential microscope. Yeah but… NBC wouldn’t pay him more than Christina Aguilera. What choice did he have? /s ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/236 "2023-09-26T21:30:23Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > One count down, six more to go. I didn’t realize this was going to be a non-jury trial. Was it always set to be that way, or did something change? Is it a bench trial with just the judge and lawyers? Is lawyer, Alina Habba, failed to petition for a trial jury when she was supposed to. i.e. She failed to follow normal procredure and really hurt her client. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/237 "2023-09-26T21:35:24Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Is lawyer, Alina Habba, failed to petition for a trial jury when she was supposed to Would this pre-trial summary judgment phase still have happened if it were a jury trial? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/238 "2023-09-26T21:37:06Z")
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**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/239 "2023-09-26T21:38:06Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Would this pre-trial summary judgment phase still have happened if it were a jury trial? All those episodes of Law & Order I watched didn’t cover this. If there were a jury, I would think they’d be given instructions that the Trump organization has already been found liable and they’re just there to decide what to do about it. But I could be totally off base here. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/240 "2023-09-26T21:38:38Z")
Ouch! I guess Trump’s “worthless clauses” really were worthless…… as a defense. Trump had argued that the fraudulent income disclosures were accompanied by disclaimers that were drafted in such a heavy-handed way that they made the financial disclosures worthless, and that the companies he did business with should have known that and done their own research. I’m guessing the “everyone knows I lie so it doesn’t count” defense didn’t sit well with the judge, and he probably didn’t endear himself to the judge when he [sued him.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/14/nyregion/trump-james-trial-lawsuit.html?unlocked_article_code=e7aXJq_62jUoah6ORY_6rxa_gWHEIzjvCrb1R8IX4Teu_STZ2L9AEb8IWkzHYN1U65c0dGThjqRsPlolPQrHZEyNI7gclt7imuZv1eS_GLE_BPmb0_8QkiUWmtZCU74pNkFih_M_zPc9o3SrDgvLoJE8VNKLossVtIc-MVW5z1Skf-SCBWKMeu_b9qP4XTxc3iovMVcUDGTp0kTTXJ15DxO6PBL6VvgONsWO_aB5_3wtkbdZCy8XEn_cRQCMuyO5rHmrUrkHuCEPBwg3K0BOw-mUmuZCr5ro3SU9O1hK8H8TwNXvYtRzoQwgIU3jBA_PPX1rRCN-IZsplWatMu6uMjjFIVA&smid=url-share) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=13)