# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 130
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2582 "2024-02-28T20:40:20Z")
Ignoring his cries about all these rules being unconstitutional, is there any truth that the “blanket prohibition on lending transactions would make it impossible to secure and post a complete bond”. I hadn’t thought about that and I have no idea if his previous restrictions regarding borrowing money in NY would have any effect on getting a bond. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2583 "2024-02-28T20:43:34Z")
If American banks won’t back him, maybe the Saudis can assist ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2584 "2024-02-28T20:44:46Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I like how the lawyers complain that it is a “punitive amount.” > > Um, yeah. That’s exactly the point… “Why this is so unfair! These punitive damages will just prevent my client from repeating the same actions that landed him in court in the first place! It’s just UnAmerican!” ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2585 "2024-02-28T20:52:05Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > If American banks won’t back him, maybe the Saudis can assist Jared and Ivanka haven’t been returning his calls. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2586 "2024-02-28T20:55:45Z")
For those keeping track… 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. **Bargaining** ← we are here 4. Depression 5. Acceptance I have my doubts he will ever reach stage 5. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2587 "2024-02-28T21:08:47Z")
The delay has been rejected: > ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2588 "2024-02-28T21:12:01Z")
ABC’s got it, too: > **[Appeals court denies request to delay $464M fraud judgment after Trump offers...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-plans-post-100-million-bond-asks-stay/story?id=107634579)** > > An appellate court has denied Donald Trump's attempt to freeze his civil fraud judgment, a ruling that'll require him to post a bond for hundreds of millions of dollars. > [@](#): > > A New York appellate court on Wednesday denied Donald Trump’s attempt to freeze the judgment in his civil fraud case, a ruling that means, for now, that the former president is required to post a bond for hundreds of millions of dollars in the coming weeks. > > Judge Anil Singh declined to address the amount of the bond, effectively requiring Trump by default to post a bond for the full judgment of $454 million. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2589 "2024-02-28T21:27:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It’s like he thinks he’s dealing with a company that installed window coverings in one of his buildings, and he’s trying to stiff them I can see a lot of this in Trump’s 2024 (and 2025 if things go well in November). He has spent his life getting away with everything by a combination of lies, bullying, delaying tactics and bartering. He is facing a bunch of court cases where that just doesn’t fly, he’s gonna try it anyway and then get increasingly deranged when it falls flat. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2590 "2024-02-28T21:37:17Z")
I’d suggest that “bartering” is the key word in the above post. To Trump, it seems that _everything_ comes down to some sort of deal. Ideally, he’ll aim for a zero-sum deal, where he gets the benefit and the other party gets nothing; but if necessary, he’ll try to barter the other party down to a less-than-agreed-upon amount. That might work with various contractors, but now he’s involved in court matters, and courts don’t do deals. As noted in the ABC News link above, the courts will not entertain Trump’s offer to post $100M. No, he has to post the full amount of $454M. But it’s obvious that Trump just looked at the matter as another opportunity to make a deal of some sort. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2591 "2024-02-28T21:40:25Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > No, he has to post the full amount of $454M. This is widely reported, but seems not to be the case. As I understand it, Trump can appeal without posting bond, but then doesn’t get a stay against asset seizure. But even if assets get seized, they stay in escrow until the appeal concludes. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2592 "2024-02-28T21:44:23Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > But even if assets get seized, they stay in escrow until the appeal concludes. I’m not clear on this part. It could be, but it might not be. I haven’t seen any such requirement. Not that it matters. The State of NY doesn’t need the cash right away (like other plaintiffs might). The important part is to take things from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2593 "2024-02-28T21:45:44Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > He has spent his life getting away with everything by a combination of lies, bullying, delaying tactics and bartering. He is facing a bunch of court cases where that just doesn’t fly, he’s gonna try it anyway and then get increasingly deranged when it falls flat. This is the Roy Cohn way. Fight like a bastard in court, never give an inch, destroy the other guy: that was Cohn’s counsel. But it was always about _civil_ matters. I remember reading somewhere that Cohn had warned Trump that while aggression and pugnaciousness was the best path in party vs party litigation, Trump should be more careful about getting entangled in criminal prosecution, because it was a whole different thing. I’m confident I read that, but I’m searching now and can’t find a cite. Though the fact that Cohn was eventually held to account for tax cheating should have been a lesson for Trump. Anyway, I agree that he’s trotting out the same old playbook because it’s all he knows, and it’s always worked before. And now, it won’t work as well. Of course, it doesn’t need to _totally_ work, it just needs to work _enough_ to buy a few more months. But if anyone remembers the source of the Cohn bit above, I’d dearly appreciate a reminder. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2594 "2024-02-28T21:50:05Z")
The judge did stay part of the ruling not allowing him to do business with NY banks so he will be allowed to get a bond from one if he if one is interested. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2595 "2024-02-28T22:57:53Z")
“Let’s sell some deck chairs for the _Titanic_ on credit. Surely they’ll pay us once they’ve negotiated with that iceberg and reach New York.” ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2596 "2024-02-28T23:37:02Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > courts don’t do deals. Well, maybe in one of his criminal cases he could seek a plea deal, though that negotiation would be done with the prosecutor and the court would still be free to say yea or nay to its terms. /nitpick ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2597 "2024-02-29T01:38:06Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > But if anyone remembers the source of the Cohn bit above This sounds pretty close. [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/19/roy-cohn-donald-trump-documentary-228144/) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2598 "2024-03-04T16:34:18Z")
CFO is in court today to plead guilty to perjury. I don’t get the loyalty, just don’t get it. Possible 5 months in rikers, again. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2599 "2024-03-05T13:50:07Z")
Every time I think about Trump’s ‘offer’ to post a $100M bond instead of the amount required by the Court makes me picture in my mind Trump’s attorneys doing something like this: “Okay, we admit 350 Million plus interest is a _little bit_ higher than we were hoping for but tell you what. I’m going to write a number on this piece of paper here and I’d like you to tell me what you think of this instead (slides paper over)…” He’s always been able to negotiate his way out of fixes with creditors before with a combination of greenmail, threatening lawsuits, renegotiating terms, or declaring bankruptcy. Those strategies won’t work with the AG’s office or courts for the State of New York. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2600 "2024-03-07T21:16:41Z")
You know I just had an ironic thought. You know how in this trial Trump attempted to argue that he shouldn’t be charged because he didn’t actually default on any of the loans and so his lying didn’t cause any harm? I wonder if some of those loans might still be outstanding, and if so whether this judgement against him will result in his actually defaulting on them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2024, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2601 "2024-03-13T14:12:38Z")
[Trump tried to move assets to Florida, NY officials complain in fraud-judgment filing](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-tried-to-move-assets-to-florida-ny-officials-complain-in-fraud-judgment-filing/ar-BB1jMlXY) > Donald Trump tried — but failed — to switch the addresses of key assets from Trump Tower in New York to Florida, officials with the state attorney general’s office said in their latest civil fraud case filing. > > Days after losing the 11-week fraud trial, Trump’s lawyers “announced for the first time that various entity defendants operating in New York are allegedly now located on a golf club in Florida,” state officials complained in the new filing. Trump’s attorneys revealed ‘corrected’ addresses for six properties. Per the table in the article, the ‘correct address’ of Donald J Trump Revocable Trust, which owns 100% of Trump’s ‘business empire’ and is also known as Trump Organization, is Mar-a-Lago. The ‘correct address’ for four properties is the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida, and the ‘correct address’ for the other is the Trump National Doral Miami. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=131)