# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2622 "2024-03-18T16:28:48Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > It’s my understanding that the appeal process won’t start until the bond is posted. No bond, no appeal. It’s my understanding that the bond only serves to stop the process of collections. The appeal can go ahead, it’s just that the plaintiff can start getting the money through repossession or other means. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2623 "2024-03-18T16:37:44Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It’s my understanding that the bond only serves to stop the process of collections. I’ve been googling NYS statutes on appeals. I’m far from an expert, but I believe this is correct. It’s certainly true in places I practice. Trump can appeal without posting a bond. I do note that many articles on this case imply that the bond it necessary for the appeal, but I believe they are mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2624 "2024-03-18T16:46:00Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > But of course he is only playing the I’m not able to get bond game once again, like he did in the Carrol case. Yeah - didn’t he claim the same thing, only to post bond the next day? This guy (and his attys) act as tho no one else has access to news media, or any memory. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > This is where the judge says “That sounds like a _you_ problem…anyway”, right? One would hope. I imagine Trump having to divert attention to liquidation of assets, and being in the news about such efforts, will adversely effect his campaign efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2625 "2024-03-18T16:49:00Z")
Is this different than the E Jean Carroll suit? In that one, that was the case, wasn’t it? That the appeal can’t be started until and unless he posts the bond? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2626 "2024-03-18T16:49:45Z")
Carroll case was federal court, so the rules could be different. But even there, I’m almost sure he could have appealed without posting the bond. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2627 "2024-03-18T16:50:08Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I imagine Trump having to divert attention to liquidation of assets, and being in the news about such efforts, will adversely effect his campaign efforts. “Honest Don is bravely fighting the Deep Swamp! Won’t you help? Send money today!” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2628 "2024-03-18T16:50:12Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I imagine Trump having to divert attention to liquidation of assets, and being in the news about such efforts, will adversely effect his campaign efforts. One would hope. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2629 "2024-03-18T16:53:01Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Carroll case was federal court, so the rules could be different. But even there, I’m almost sure he could have appealed without posting the bond. If that’s the case, I have a fundamental misunderstanding of how that all works. I was under the impression that if he can’t come up with the bond, the appeal can’t happen. At least in part, to make sure he (or anyone in his situation) isn’t appealing to kick the can down the road. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2630 "2024-03-18T16:53:48Z")
Do the liens give a discount on the property to the lien holders? If he still owes half the value of the loan for a building, do the lienholders get to discount the purchase price by that amount? That is, if the lien holders are buying the property? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2631 "2024-03-18T16:54:37Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > At least in part, to make sure he (or anyone in his situation) isn’t appealing to kick the can down the road. Well that’s the point. The judgment is effective immediately if no bond posted, so the can isn’t getting kicked. It’s very rare to appeal without posting the bond, but it’s not a requirement as far as I can tell. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2632 "2024-03-18T17:01:33Z")
OMG Peter was right - he _is_ cash-poor. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/A9XbscpuXzY/hqdefault.jpg "Peter Griffin's ferocious fight with Donald Trump. FULL FIGHT") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9XbscpuXzY) ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2633 "2024-03-18T17:04:53Z")
I would think that the lienholders would know better than anyone else what the properties were actually worth, so other bidders would look to them to see how high they value the properties. That would of course depend on the bidding process in the state of NY. But no, they would not get a discount. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2634 "2024-03-18T17:07:31Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > That’s only, like $6 from every person who voted for him in 2020. B…B…bbbbbutt…Trump has already declared that he won’t use Republican party funds to cover his legal bills. > **[Trump team insists RNC funds wouldn't cover his legal bills, as party...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-team-insists-rnc-funds-cover-legal-bills/story?id=107229002)** > > Absolutely none" of the Republican National Committee's funds will be used to pay Trump's multimillion-dollar stack of legal bills, a senior adviser insisted to ABC News Which means, of course, that he is already planning to loot the Republican party to cover his legal bills. But right now, it looks like the Repubs don’t have enough cash on hand. A quick google shows only $65 million. But election season is upon us, which, like the Christmas season, is a time of giving, right? So is it realistic to assume that Trump can raid the party’s assets for the whole 500 million which he needs? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2635 "2024-03-18T17:09:33Z")
If only Trump had been able to inflate the value of his assets, perhaps one of those 30 entities would have floated his bond. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2636 "2024-03-18T17:15:53Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Which means, of course, that he is already planning to loot the Republican party to cover his legal bills. They’ve [explicitly stated](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4467232-lara-trump-spend-rnc-funds-to-elect-donald-trump/) that was their plan, and that the [voters will be happy about it](https://apnews.com/article/lara-trump-rnc-donald-trump-9c25a74e096439cd7b0ac37c96530675). > “That is the goal over the next nine-and-a-half months. If I [Lara Trump] am elected to this position [RNC co-chair], I can assure you, there will not be any more $70,000 — or whatever exorbitant amount of money it was — spent on flowers,” she continued. “Every single penny will go to the No. 1 and the only job of the RNC — that is elected Donald J. Trump as president of the United States and saving this country.” Personally, I’m happy to see him drain the RNC bank accounts and the bank accounts off all his supporters. If the Right, and the people on the Right are broke when this is all over, that’s their own stupid fault. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2637 "2024-03-18T17:34:11Z")
> [@Lara Trump](#): > > “Every single penny will go to the No. 1 and the only job of the RNC — that is elected Donald J. Trump as president of the United States and saving this country.” Nice to see them openly admit they have no intention of giving any money to any other Republican nominees. That they think the one and only responsibility of the RNC is to trump, speaks volumes of the vanity and narcissism inherent in this campaign. I predict a “bloodbath” in down ballot races this year. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2638 "2024-03-18T17:39:02Z")
MSNBC’s report: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/m3Xat4T5gYI/maxresdefault.jpg "'Road to Donald Trump’s financial demise': AG James could seize properties") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Xat4T5gYI) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2639 "2024-03-18T19:28:53Z")
## Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment [![](https://images.gofundme.com/I3wVsRFnlUQae_WOLqYqQDa4qkw=/720x405/https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/78329481_1708118272902334_r.jpeg) ](https://images.gofundme.com/I3wVsRFnlUQae_WOLqYqQDa4qkw=/720x405/https://d2g8igdw686xgo.cloudfront.net/78329481_1708118272902334_r.jpeg) currently at $1.36M of the $355M goal (0.4%, on 24K donors). With that kind of promotion (title and image), I am somewhat surprised they are doing even that well. “Fund the unjust judgement” ? Who would want to fund an unjust judgement? I am also curious about how that particular site (gfm) operates. When you donate, do you actually send money, or is it more like a pledge? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2640 "2024-03-18T19:38:46Z")
[Here’s a gift link to the NY Times article about Trump’s inability to get a bond](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/18/nyregion/trump-bond-civil-fraud-case.html?unlocked_article_code=1.dk0.mUOd.OKnaj_0M8Xoe&smid=url-share). Some choice quotes, indicating that a lot is still unanswered about what this will mean. > The case, brought by the New York attorney general, Letitia James, has posed a grave financial threat to Mr. Trump. > > He might have to post an appeal bond worth more — possibly above $500 million, to reflect the interest he will owe — in order to prevent Ms. James from seizing his assets on March 25. > > Under the law, Ms. James could have moved to collect from Mr. Trump as soon as Justice Engoron ruled, but she offered a 30-day grace period, until March 25. It is unclear whether she will provide Mr. Trump extra time or if she will move swiftly to collect. Nor is it clear whether the appellate court will rule on his plea for help before the deadline. > > Mr. Trump could also seek to appeal to New York’s highest court, and it is unclear whether Ms. James will hold off on the seizure while he pursues that route. > > A spokeswoman for Ms. James did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Looks like we will continue to have to wait - until at least the 25th - to see if there will be any asset seizures. ---
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> [@Jihi](#): > > Nice to see them openly admit they have no intention of giving any money to any other Republican nominees. That they think the one and only responsibility of the RNC is to trump, speaks volumes of the vanity and narcissism inherent in this campaign. > > I predict a “bloodbath” in down ballot races this year. But in a way this is a Good Thing. See, all those 'small" purple races- the DNC will be able to spend, but not the RNC. This could well lead to the Dems taking back the House and keeping the Senate. Here is a cool YT about it- [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/IBIRwoFY2-g/hqdefault.jpg "🚨 Trump screws over his ENTIRE party with bombshell move") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIRwoFY2-g) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=133)