# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 148
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2942 "2024-03-25T15:09:25Z")
I’d like to see SOME action surrounding his claim of having $400-500 million in cash. If he has it, either post it as bond, or identify it for seizure. (Or, reveal that - surprise surprise - in this one instance he is not telling the unvarnished truth.) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2943 "2024-03-25T15:16:02Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > paywalled cite: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/trump-bond-deadline-assets.html0](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/trump-bond-deadline-assets.html0) Broken link. Here’s a corrected gift link: > **[Trump’s Options Dwindle as $454 Million Judgment Bears Down on Him](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/trump-bond-deadline-assets.html?unlocked_article_code=1.fU0.ubdi.kwjd_xb-38tu&smid=url-share)** > > If no one will post a bond guaranteeing Donald Trump’s financial obligation, New York’s attorney general can start trying to seize his accounts and properties. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2944 "2024-03-25T15:19:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I imagine they’re moving very deliberately behind the scenes; they’re not delaying or giving him any real breaks, but they’re not going to rush it just for a photo op of James with the Trump Tower welcome mat under one arm. I agree that there may be slow and deliberate moves going on…but those are likely to take years. The real win here is not financial, in any case…the real win is political; the optics today are just as important as the final results will be years from now. Years from now, maybe Trump will have lost $454mill worth of his assets. But nobody will care. And after November, it may be too late\*. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > but liquidating … is gonna be a pain in the ass. They’d rather get a check. A check is nice…but it’s not the main issue. NY state has a budget surplus of $2.2 billion this year. They can afford to wait a long time to collect the extra 454 million from Trump. But the country can’t wait that long…we need to see results now, not after November. – \*yes, I know, it’s not a federal case, so if elected, President Trump can’t pardon himself. But you and I both know that he will. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2945 "2024-03-25T15:19:44Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > the white whale: Mar-a-Lago; in addition to the out of state issues, Trump may have a homestead claim to at least part of the residence; how that squares with his status as « employee » under the municipal law likely to be an issue. As an employee, the new owner would be able to redefine his job description. Personally, I’d let Trump stay if only for the visual of watching him clean toilets and take out the trash. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2946 "2024-03-25T15:25:08Z")
The link in your post appears to be broken. [Here is a gift link](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/trump-bond-deadline-assets.html?unlocked_article_code=1.fU0.a_lR.l93tH3HEqxN6&smid=url-share) to the article on the NYT front page about the deadline. I don’t get the impression James is delaying action. Rather the article makes it clear this is a long, difficult process if they have to seize property and other assets. And I agree with what Johnny\_Bravo said about the situation so I don’t think there is a delay happening. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2947 "2024-03-25T15:32:56Z")
the civil court is allowing a smaller bond of 175m and he has 10 days to post it. a partial win. things are not going as well in the criminal court. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2948 "2024-03-25T15:39:35Z")
> **[New York appeals court scales back bond due in Trump fraud case and sets new...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-bond-appeals-court-new-deadline/)** > > Former President Donald Trump will not have to obtain a bond of $464 million to appeal the judgment against him in the civil fraud trial, the New York appeals court ruled Monday. Link. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2949 "2024-03-25T15:41:13Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > > I imagine they’re moving very deliberately behind the scenes… > > I agree that there may be slow and deliberate moves going on…but those are likely to take years. I read ‘deliberately’ as meaning they are intentionally not _publicly_ making moves, as opposed to meaning ‘slow and considered’. Could be both, of course. It was just my take. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2950 "2024-03-25T15:48:59Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the civil court is allowing a smaller bond of 175m and he has 10 days to post it. I’m ok with that. He may not even be able to pull that off. NY will get $175m guaranteed and will get it easily without a collections process once the appeal is done. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2951 "2024-03-25T15:52:47Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > NY will get $175m guaranteed and will get it easily without a collections process once the appeal is done. And he’ll still be on the hook for the rest of the judgement, right? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2952 "2024-03-25T15:53:32Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Personally, I’d let Trump stay if only for the visual of watching him clean toilets and take out the trash. > [Florida is an at-will state,](https://www.ballmanfirm.com/youve-been-fired-what-can-you-do-about-it-under-florida-law.html#:~:text=Florida%20is%20an%20at%2Dwill,are%20no%20protections%20for%20employees.) which means an employer may fire, demote, hire, promote and discipline employees for pretty much any reason, or no reason at all. The only way to change that is to urge your state legislators to pass more protections for employees. And then we’d have the enjoyable spectacle of Trump railing about the “Un-American ‘At Will’ employment!” ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2953 "2024-03-25T15:56:16Z")
should the 464m hold through the appeal, yes. there is a slim possibility that he could win the appeal, or possibly get a reduction in his judgement. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2954 "2024-03-25T15:56:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > And he’ll still be on the hook for the rest of the judgement, right? If the appeal lets things stand, yes. I wouldn’t be surprised if the amount is reduced on appeal anyway. It really is fair ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2955 "2024-03-25T15:57:24Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > And then we’d have the enjoyable spectacle of Trump railing about the “Un-American ‘At Will’ employment!” You’re fired! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2956 "2024-03-25T15:58:38Z")
oh great, now trump is pontificating at the court house. the usual rant, and that they will gather the 100 plus million in short order. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2957 "2024-03-25T16:01:04Z")
The appeals court judgment makes me sick. Was there any reason to cut the bond to less than half, other than the fact that Trump never stopped whining about it? I swear, the orange fuck was born with a lucky horseshoe up his ass, ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2958 "2024-03-25T16:06:39Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Even if she is delaying, doesn’t each day of delay cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars in interest? That’s what i was wondering. Is he still going to be accumulating 100K-ish a day in interest due on the judgement? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2959 "2024-03-25T16:07:29Z")
Of course there was other reasoning. You’re getting as histrionic as him. There’s a decent chance that the award will be reduced but not eliminated. It’s completely fair and he still has to come up with a lot of cash (not property). He asked for 100m. They didn’t give him that. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2960 "2024-03-25T16:10:54Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > It’s completely fair Saying that “it’s completely fair” implies that the original judgment issued by Judge Erdogan was in error and therefore unfair. How do you know that? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/2961 "2024-03-25T16:12:02Z")
Sorry. Your logic is flawed. What I said didn’t imply that at all. I’m saying that a partial bond is reasonable to delay collection [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=147) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=149)