# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/321 "2023-09-28T01:54:31Z")
> [@simster](#): > > If you are relying on a disclaimer to keep you out of trouble, you already know you have committed fraud. According to Donald Trump on Truth Social: > [@Donald Trump](#): > > LEGALLY IRREFUTABLE DISCLAIMER CLAUSE!!! Regardless, great Financial Statements, very high Net Worth and Liquidity. MAGA! Dude says it’s “LEGALLY IRREFUTABLE,” and if you can’t trust the word of a disgraced former president, rapist, and fraudster then who can you trust? Given his penchant for surrounding himself with yes men, I have to wonder if he had any lawyers tell him it was the best disclaimer clause ever written. I wouldn’t doubt for a second someone told him what he wanted to hear. He might have asked ten lawyers who told him it wouldn’t protect him but he listened to the one who told him what he wanted to hear. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/322 "2023-09-28T02:06:41Z")
Thats one of the few joys in life - reading the absolute destruction of his top attorneys arguments in the various decisions. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/323 "2023-09-28T02:27:25Z")
His tweets come across like Dr. Bronners, but crazier. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/324 "2023-09-28T02:34:49Z")
Who is Dr. Bonner? All I find is soap. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/325 "2023-09-28T02:35:55Z")
I’ve posted about it before, but Trump’s almost 500 page deposition in this case is spectacular, 7 hours of him bragging, confessing and say stupid shit. Remember when Mazur’s , the accounting firm Trump used, quit? Trump claims they came to him in tears, heartbroken at having to leave him because of the mean prosecutor. Trump is completely unclear about who actually came to his office and what they actually _said_, but they were definitely crying about having to fire Trump as a client. > **[452564\_2022\_people\_of\_the\_state\_of\_v\_people\_of\_the\_state\_of\_exhibit\_s\_\_859.pdf](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23932452/452564_2022_people_of_the_state_of_v_people_of_the_state_of_exhibit_s__859.pdf)** > > 7.84 MB ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/326 "2023-09-28T02:39:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Who is Dr. Bonner? All I find is soap. That’s the chap. The Master spoke - 35 years ago! > **[Why the weird religious ravings on Dr. Bronner’s soap?](https://www.straightdope.com/21342071/why-the-weird-religious-ravings-on-dr-bronner-s-soap)** ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/327 "2023-09-28T04:48:41Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I have to wonder if he had any lawyers tell him it was the best disclaimer clause ever written. From his deposition in this case: Q. So it’s your position – A. Many lawyers have come to me and said, you have the greatest worthless clause I’ve ever seen. How can they be using this statement against you? I say, because of politics, that’s why. I have a clause in there that says, don’t believe the statement, go out and do your own work. This statement is “worthless.” It means nothing. and later A. I have attorneys that are saying this is the strongest worthless clause they’ve ever seen. Q. Who told you that? A. Attorneys. Q. Your attorneys or attorneys for —- A. My attorneys. A. Other attorneys too. Would you like me to get you some names? A. They say it’s the strongest worthless clause they’ve ever seen, meaning, they say the document is worthless. All with tears in their eyes I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/328 "2023-09-28T04:54:12Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > From his deposition in this case: Oh, I got that. I’m just wondering if there’s any grain of truth to it. If Trump touted the evidence of heliocentrism I’d begin to doubt what I learned in grade school. i.e. I don’t trust him for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/329 "2023-09-28T04:56:39Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’ve posted about it before, but Trump’s almost 500 page deposition in this case is spectacular, 7 hours of him bragging, confessing and say stupid shit. I was looking at it earlier and this paragraph stood out to me. It explains so much about Trump’s reality. > [@](#): > > Very few statements – you know, lot of times you’ll have a worthless clause that’s a half a paragraph long. This thing goss on for a page and a half, tells you how bad everything is. Don’t believe it. It says, don’t believe anything in here. And this is what I’m being sued on. He really believes that he can’t get in trouble if he just puts all his evil out there for everyone to see. “I’ve shown you how terrible I am. Anything that comes from that is not my fault.” ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/330 "2023-09-28T05:00:19Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I don’t trust him for some reason. Well, he did say he could get them some names. Probably in two weeks. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/331 "2023-09-28T06:32:24Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Gotta love a ruling that quotes the Marx brothers in the footnotes. I do enjoy good footnotes. PSA: Footnote 9, on page 21 of the .pdf. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/332 "2023-09-28T06:32:40Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Well, he did say he could get them some names. Probably in two weeks. 😁 I really wish that people would have pressed him more during his Presidency on stuff like that. “You want some names?”…“Yes, please share names.” “We will be taking care of that.”…“Who is _we_?” It reminds me of the scene at the end of the first Indiana Jones movie: “We’ve got too men looking into it.”…“Who?”… “Top. Men.” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/333 "2023-09-28T07:18:14Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > “Who is _we_?” It’s Trump-speak for “Me, unless this goes badly, in which case it was someone else’s idea all along”. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/334 "2023-09-28T08:15:42Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I really wish that people would have pressed him more during his Presidency on stuff like that. > > “You want some names?”…“Yes, please share names.” > > “We will be taking care of that.”…“Who is _we_?” I enjoy looking in at a RW message board. When MSM sources, such as the NYT, the WaPo, or CNN cite “unnamed sources,” they are immediately discounted as “untrustworthy, because they’re not brave enough to state their names.” But if an “unnamed source” says something good about Trump, then it’s perfectly fine, and their names need not be given. Let’s call a spade a fucking shovel: Trumpism is a cult. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/335 "2023-09-28T08:24:31Z")
Wait - that’s real? Even for Trump, that’s mindboggling. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/336 "2023-09-28T10:05:06Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I enjoy looking in at a RW message board. Your pain tolerance humbles me. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/337 "2023-09-28T11:14:52Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Your pain tolerance humbles me. I do it too. And I’ve said before that you get a much better understanding of the MAGA crowd. Which I think is worth something. You also realize that it genuinely, really is all about Trump and the movement. No higher ideals, no convictions, just Trump and being part of the team. Belonging. They were claiming yesterday that since Trump paid the loans back, lying about the worth of the assets wasn’t fraud. Really. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/338 "2023-09-28T11:20:16Z")
I am always curious about that: sometimes, after a theft (eg, car, jewelry, etc.), the authorities DO recover the stolen goods; the victim DOES get their possessions back. When that happens, does that negate the robbery, burglary, or other underlying crime? If insurance compensates a bank for their losses during a bank robbery, can the bank robbers use “Hey, no harm, no foul” as an affirmative defense? If you shoot somebody, but you miss, is “We good?” going to allow you to walk scot-free? Hm. I didn’t think so … I also love the “disclaimer” angle – very reminiscent of “No offense, but you’re kind of an asshole.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/339 "2023-09-28T11:27:38Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > You also realize that it genuinely, really is all about Trump and the movement. No higher ideals, no convictions, just Trump and being part of the team. Belonging. I say it often, and with no intended hyperbole: it is a cult, in a very literal sense. And deprogramming a sizable chunk of the US population seems an unlikely task to be able to accomplish. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I also love the “disclaimer” angle – very reminiscent of “No offense, but you’re kind of an asshole.” The whole “worthless clause” thing seems to be the legal equivalent of “it didn’t count because I had my fingers crossed”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/340 "2023-09-28T11:42:55Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I say it often, and with no intended hyperbole: it is a cult, in a very literal sense. And deprogramming a sizable chunk of the US population seems an unlikely task to be able to accomplish. If Trump accomplished anything, it was giving mental health and psychological professionals something to work on and talk about for _years_. Because this is all (and has been) horrifically fascinating. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=18)