# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 171
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3402 "2024-04-15T20:48:31Z")
Nah. I think you’re right. They were told to have more info today _in preparation for_ the 4/22 Hearing on the matter: > **[Is the insurer providing Trump's fraud bond eligible to do so?](https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/is-the-insurer-providing-trumps-fraud-bond-eligible-to-do-so-485156.aspx)** > > Deadline looms today as ex-president heads to court > Today is the deadline for Trump to demonstrate the adequacy of the $175 million bond he obtained in order to delay payment of the judgment while he appeals the decision, according to a Wall Street Journal report. > New York Justice Arthur Engoron, who delivered the $454 million judgment against Trump, has scheduled a hearing on the bond issue for April 22. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3403 "2024-04-15T21:36:09Z")
Different deadlines for different aspects of the same issue. Scheduled a week apart, each on the first day of the week. That makes sense and it also is understandable how they’d be conflated. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3404 "2024-04-15T23:46:32Z")
Ok, so what happens if after today, Trumps lawyers fail to prove the adequacy of the bond? What are the consequences of today’s (hypothetical) failure? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3405 "2024-04-15T23:58:18Z")
Yeah. That really _is_ the question, isn’t it. My IANAL thought on this one is that it hugely depends on whether Engoron can be convinced that any material inadequacies in the _form_ of the bond were due to incompetence, and _not_ to malice (ie, a deliberate effort to cheat the Court). He could give them yet another period to cure the problems (ie, fix _all_ the deficiencies with the bond – wording, capital requirements, NYS licensure, and whatever else is out there, _sufficient to_ actually ‘undertake’ the Surety of $175M). But if he’s in a bad mood or simply cannot be convinced this was all well-meaning stupidity, ISTM that Engoron _could_ authorize the State to begin trying to execute the judgment by going after Trump’s assets. Which, I would think, would have no effect on Trump’s pending appeal of this case. And it still seems to me that – though the _bond_ amount was reduced to $175M, the underlying _Judgment_ was _not_ reduced – even by the Appellate Court (at least, not at this point), so the State would be trying to seize nearly half a billion in assets. But I think we also still do NOT know whether Hankey did or did not actually offer – through Trump’s representatives – to bond the entire $454M. That … is just another one of the moving pieces that – were I a betting man – I think could piss Engoron right the hell off. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3406 "2024-04-16T00:00:21Z")
WAG, but i see three options. 1. The Knight bond is brought up to snuff by clearing up whatever deficiencies it currently contains. 2. He is given even MORE time to secure an acceptable bond. 3. Letitia James starts collecting on the judgement because an acceptable bond wasn’t posted in time. I hope #3, with the added indignity of fines, fees, and possibly sanctions added for trying to trick the State of New York. ETA @DavidNRockies scooped me, but I think we pretty much had the same conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Ferris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ferris/32/11573_2.png) [@Ferris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferris)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3407 "2024-04-16T00:45:09Z")
I don’t see Option 1 being likely, given how much we now know about the scale of ‘deficiencies’. Is it possible that both 2) and 3) could be enacted concurrently? So seizing assets can begin _now_, but if a proper bond is produced within the next ‘x’ days, the seizures are paused while the appeal goes ahead? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3408 "2024-04-16T01:54:59Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > And it still seems to me that – though the _bond_ amount was reduced to $175M, the underlying _Judgment_ was _not_ reduced – even by the Appellate Court (at least, not at this point), so the State would be trying to seize nearly half a billion in assets. The amount that he has to pay “immediately” is $175M. This could be directly from him or in the form of a (good) bond. They do not get to collect the larger amount. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3409 "2024-04-16T01:55:17Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > He is given even MORE time to secure an acceptable bond. The problem with this is that trump has been caught in a lie- he told the Appellate court no one would possibly give him that huge bond, but it turns out a couple MAGA (real) billionaires said they would- and trump bragged about it. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3410 "2024-04-16T02:10:59Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > 1. The Knight bond is brought up to snuff by clearing up whatever deficiencies it currently contains. > 2. He is given even MORE time to secure an acceptable bond. > 3. Letitia James starts collecting on the judgement because an acceptable bond wasn’t posted in time. > > I hope #3, with the added indignity of fines, fees, and possibly sanctions added for trying to trick the State of New York. At the very least, I hope if it’s #2, he can someone add a clause stating that if he feels they’re not working in good faith towards getting this taken care of, he can allow James to start collecting. Maybe even requiring them to keep him updated with daily progress reports and being CC’d on all communications. That could allow him to make sure they’re not just patting themselves on the backs for getting _another_ delay. I’m hoping as these trials finally get underway, either Engoron or Merchan find the magic bullet to put an end to all the delays. Merchan already gave him a ‘fuck around and find out’ warning. Merchan told Trump he could have the day off for Barron’s graduation as long as things are still happening on schedule. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3411 "2024-04-16T02:43:49Z")
The deadline is 11:59pm tonight 4/15/24. Tick, tock, tick, tock. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3412 "2024-04-16T09:17:32Z")
With Trump and the courts, I think deadlines are mere suggestions. “Oh, does His Majesty need more time?” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3413 "2024-04-16T12:12:30Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Merchan told Trump he could have the day off for Barron’s graduation as long as things are still happening on schedule. Every father should have the chance to complete the set of missed graduations. He hasn’t gone to any of the other ones, why not skip this one as well? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3414 "2024-04-16T12:16:29Z")
[Only partly in jest] I wouldn’t rule out that DJT attending Barron’s graduation is a clause included in Melania’s prenup. And that there are penalties for breaches. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3415 "2024-04-16T12:21:22Z")
If it is, I think I could believe she wouldn’t want him there. She doesn’t seem to like him much. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3416 "2024-04-16T12:48:31Z")
Dammit, don’t you just HATE it when your court filings have the wrong signature page? > “Federal Insurance Company” is a Chubb company, not Knight. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3417 "2024-04-16T14:28:51Z")
Even ctrl-H is plotting against him. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3418 "2024-04-16T14:33:29Z")
More delays! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3419 "2024-04-16T14:37:13Z")
Is this a “drafting error” or a deliberate action designed to either create more delay or nullify the bond? ETA: Or is Trump trying to use the same investment account he used for Chubb to secure the bond in the Jean Carroll case to secure the new bond in the NY fraud case? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/3420 "2024-04-16T14:41:44Z")
Keyboards. Will Not. Replace Us. ---
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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Is this a “drafting error” or a deliberate action designed to either create more delay or nullify the bond? Gee… 🤔 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=170) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=172)