# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/362 "2023-09-28T19:24:35Z")
The appeals court just denied Trump’s lawsuit against Judge Engoron trying to delay the trial from starting next week. Gift link to the [NYTimes article.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/nyregion/trump-fraud-judge-appeal.html?unlocked_article_code=x_m0F_UgZZ3L2viuZhs4g594wHijcbLeeFoMNXwDzAAV1Y2Tc94Z2cylqtLg54a6_BdmHXJiDT4KfrV25WAttGykwmUjot5EGvkjMQscjyPi8vm_Z4pCIXRdwnqzz-9fpiZ91g-56m_4EQzxB3zFURJduXs0S_QUCpj_iR8lzTz7h8ytla2B9jE4QFFWO1cJ6C6t7SpBf05DnD5i-GqzTjO0zb8lCIARSaa2IkgQ_e_PT08DUrQ9g-x6cUVWplYy4LEVmH3N2b2KfhU7ORUMj6ebDWrjv0fS1vOq3-EO1j397nDbiAdFhcVZnlii0iLe8WeMR_0qvR3NtkQNtSQbecZBFg&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/363 "2023-09-28T20:29:14Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > Lots of us wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire, sweetie. I would – if I could piss gasoline. Re: Mar-a-Lago property valuation. I’d laugh my ass off if the county assessor said, “Oh? the property’s worth $1.8 _billion_ instead of $18 _million_? My mistake. Here’s your adjusted property tax bill.” ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/364 "2023-09-28T20:42:23Z")
Thank you for the gift link! I get warm fuzzies every time that snake gets told to go pound sand. He’s gotten away with too much for too long. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/365 "2023-09-28T20:45:59Z")
If anyone happens to see a link to today’s order, could you please post it? I’ve checked all the major news outlets. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/366 "2023-09-28T20:53:47Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Re: Mar-a-Lago property valuation. > I’d laugh my ass off if the county assessor said, “Oh? the property’s worth $1.8 _billion_ instead of $18 _million_? My mistake. Here’s your adjusted property tax bill.” Me likey! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/367 "2023-09-28T20:58:17Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > > > Lots of us wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire, sweetie. > > I would – if I could piss gasoline. If we’re talking to DT: I wouldn’t piss down your throat if your heart was on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/368 "2023-09-28T21:21:55Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > I wouldn’t piss down your throat if your heart was on fire. Assumes facts not in evidence; does DJT have a heart? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/369 "2023-09-28T21:44:50Z")
About that valuation of Mar-a-Lago at $1 billion, Donald… > [@](#): > > Former President Donald Trump has sought to discredit a New York judge’s [blockbuster ruling threatening his business empire](https://themessenger.com/politics/new-york-trump-organization-judge-new-york-letitia-james) by arguing that Mar-a-Lago alone is worth more than a billion dollars. > > But less than three years ago, **his tax representative told Palm Beach County officials that Trump “agrees” his private club in South Florida is worth just $26.6 million** , according to records obtained by The Messenger. > > “ **The petitioner agrees with the determination of the property appraiser or tax collector,** ” wrote Michael Corbiciero, the CEO of the tax consulting firm Marvin F. Poer & Co., in a letter dated Nov. 16, 2020. So many Trumpian lies. It’s just difficult for him to keep track of them. Was this one of those backroom things that Eric was supposed to be looking after? > **[Trump’s Tax Representative Said in 2020 He ‘Agrees’ With $26.6 Million...](https://themessenger.com/politics/trumps-tax-representative-said-in-2020-he-agrees-with-26-6-million-appraisal-of-mar-a-lago-exclusive)** > > A letter obtained by The Messenger shows a contrast between what Trump's tax representative told local officials and claims his South Florida club is worth more than $1 billion. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/370 "2023-09-28T21:45:06Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Assumes facts not in evidence; does DJT have a heart? He has one but it’s accompanied by a worthless clause. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/371 "2023-09-28T21:50:15Z")
Trump has decided not to file to go to federal court in the Georgia case. Onward ms Willis! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/372 "2023-09-28T21:53:09Z")
Appeals court rules that the trial goes ahead next week. You know in their private, scholarly, legal minds, the learned justices were thinking: “Oh, fuck off, Trump!” > **[N.Y. appeals court refuses to delay Trump fraud trial set to start Monday](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/09/28/trump-fraud-trial-appeals-court/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjk1ODczNjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjk3MjU1OTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2OTU4NzM2MDAsImp0aSI6IjQ1NzQ3ODVmLTE5MDgtNDIxNS05N2FjLThmOGVlYTFjZTQ3MSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9uYXRpb25hbC1zZWN1cml0eS8yMDIzLzA5LzI4L3RydW1wLWZyYXVkLXRyaWFsLWFwcGVhbHMtY291cnQvIn0.9Go-RjZPs1s36z-aMhd6bdzWIw0BMyUeV1IpdhmwxC4&itid=gfta)** > > An appeals court declined to postpone the start of next week’s trial in the New York attorney general’s $250 million fraud lawsuit against Trump and his company. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/373 "2023-09-28T23:57:44Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > If we’re talking to DT: I wouldn’t piss down your throat if your heart was on fire. As a purely precautionary measure, I’d be willing to piss on him if he wasn’t on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/374 "2023-09-28T23:59:31Z")
Moderating: Let’s drop the Pit-like commentary in the P&E thread, please. It’s gone on for quite awhile. Time to stop. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/375 "2023-09-29T02:56:08Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > This had escaped my notice yesterday. > > [Trump claimed he didn't commit fraud because the Saudis would buy his property at any price: court docs - Raw Story](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-saudi-property/) > > > “he also seems to imply that the numbers cannot be inflated because he could find a ‘buyer from Saudi Arabia’ to pay any price he suggests.” And the accompanying footnote: “10 This statement may suggest influence buying more than savvy investing.” ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/376 "2023-09-29T12:13:41Z")
Seems like, when Florida comes for back taxes on that billion dollar estate, there wouldn’t be much they could argue. Damn, this story is sooo much fun. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/377 "2023-09-29T12:37:41Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > You know in their private, scholarly, legal minds, the learned justices were thinking: “Oh, fuck off, Trump!” How dare you suggest such thoughts would occur to a decision-maker?! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/378 "2023-09-29T14:10:08Z")
😉 Does anyone know what the remaining five issues are that will be tried, starting Monday? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/379 "2023-09-29T17:49:27Z")
This ruling just established that Trump is a liar. I think that the remaining five remaining to be decided are as follows. 1. Whether Trump is a damned liar? 2. Whether Trump a Goddamned liar? 3. Whether Trump a Goddamned fucking liar? 4. Whether Trump a Goddamned fucking pants on fire liar? 5. Whether Trump a Goddamned fucking pants on fire liar with bells on it? I expect all five to be found in the affirmative. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/380 "2023-09-29T18:07:15Z")
Joking aside, I found [this](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/29/trump-tower-new-york-ruling-engoron-james/) > At trial beginning next week, Engoron will consider even bigger penalties that James has requested, among them $250 million in fines, a prohibition on Trump and the company from obtaining new loans by any bank chartered in New York for five years, and a ban on Trump, his adult sons and executives from operating or owning businesses in the state in the future. So the first ruling killed his current buisiness but it remains to be decided, what fines does he owe and is he restrictions he has in terms of conducting any New York related business in the future. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/381 "2023-09-29T19:49:40Z")
So - its basically the penalty phase? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=20)