# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/61 "2022-09-21T22:52:08Z")
Backatcha. šŸ™‚šŸ„‚ šŸ» šŸŽŠ šŸ„‚ šŸ» ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/62 "2022-09-21T22:56:30Z")
Welp ā€¦ itā€™s not like I _needed a reason_ to drink! ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/63 "2022-09-21T22:58:14Z")
I missed when all this is going to start. I canā€™t wait. Will any of it be televised? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/64 "2022-09-21T22:59:06Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Michael Cohen is having a nice day today. > **[WATCH: Michael Cohen Positively Giddy Over Trump Lawsuit, Shoutout from AG:...](https://www.mediaite.com/politics/watch-michael-cohen-positively-giddy-over-trump-lawsuit-shoutout-from-ag-holy-st-did-you-guys-just-hear-what-happened/)** > > Former Donald Trump lawyer Michael Cohen was quick to celebrate the newly-announced lawsuit against his former boss, promising Trump will be "held accountable." ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/65 "2022-09-21T23:13:33Z")
Delay is not a strong enough word for itā€¦ IANAL but my understanding is that such a case can drag out for a very long time. The NY AGā€™s civil case against Hank Greenberg, an insurance company executive, began in 2005 and a settlement was reached in 2017. Conservative estimates of Trumpā€™s net worth are around $3 billion. A $250 million judgment is not going to leave him living in a cardboard box. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/66 "2022-09-21T23:17:15Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > Conservative estimates of Trumpā€™s _net_ worth are around $3 billion. A $250 million judgment is not going to leave him living in a cardboard box. And we will see if the ā€œnetā€ is in reality a typo. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/67 "2022-09-21T23:27:56Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Iā€™d like to see trumpy living in a 450 sq ft apartment in a seniors retirement community, living on $2,000/mo social security and supplementing that with a part-time job as a Wal-Mart greeter. I have to admit that Trump might actually do a pretty good job as a greeter. Stand there, smile stupidly, greet people and sometimes chat a bit. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/68 "2022-09-21T23:40:01Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Here is a list of legal cases involving TFG - we need some sort of scorecard for all this with columns for Wins (Convicted) Losses (Exonerated)ā€¦ > > [The long list of legal cases against Donald Trump | Donald Trump | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/feb/07/donald-trump-list-legal-cases) I was just thinkingā€¦ could all this mean DeSantis is defacto power of the GOP now? I mean, I can see TFG telling DeSantis ā€œLook, I can make you President, but you gotta give me pardons for all this sh!t, OK?!?ā€. TFG could do this by staying out of the race, and he would essentially be letting DeSantis hold him by the short-and-curlys. I know it would be against TFGā€™s grain to let someone have power over him like that, but it may the the only way he avoids a prison cell. ---
**Author:** ![anny\_m](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@anny\_m](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anny_m)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/69 "2022-09-21T23:49:36Z")
DeSantis canā€™t pardon Trump in this case. POTUS pardon powers are limited to federal charges. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/70 "2022-09-21T23:50:47Z")
Ahh. Thanks! Still, if DeSantis were smart about this, heā€™d make TFG believe he could pardon him! šŸ˜† ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/71 "2022-09-21T23:56:31Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > Conservative estimates of Trumpā€™s net worth are around $3 billion. A $250 million judgment is not going to leave him living in a cardboard box. ā¢ But is that based on stuff like this? Because the big allegation is that he is overvaluing his assets to pretend his business is growing. His accountants pretend that an apartment is bigger than it is, then have it increase in value when nothing actually changes. How much of that $3 billion net worth is also based on these sorts of lies and fraud? This is a guy who has trouble getting loans, remember. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/72 "2022-09-21T23:57:33Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I have to admit that Trump might actually do a pretty good job as a greeter. Stand there, smile stupidly, greet people and sometimes chat a bit. ā¢ I canā€™t see it. He canā€™t be nice to people unless they are massaging his ego. Not even when doing so would be in his own best interest. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/73 "2022-09-22T00:12:31Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > If this succeeds and all our hopes and dreams come true, and TFG and his family have to pay the consequences for building their fraudulent empire, by getting locked-up, will he still be able to run for President? Eugene Debs ran from prison. In theory, Trump could be blocked under the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment. In practice, that would be a destructive violation of democratic norms. As for ā€œall our hopes and dreams,ā€ Iā€™m almost speechless. Are there millions who think this? I suppose there are even more who have the same dream about Hillary Clinton. Is Trump a worse person than she is? Thatā€™s my opinion. But going to prison should never be seen as a happy event. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/74 "2022-09-22T00:13:53Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Is Trump a worse person than she is? Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/75 "2022-09-22T00:58:01Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wonā€™t the result of this just be that the Trump Organization is found liable, has debts in excess of its assets, goes bankrupt, and the next day Trump just creates a new company with a clean slate? Creating a new company doesnā€™t create the money, though. If Trujp Org goes bankrupt, and Trump is personally barred from creating a new company in NY, that really limits responsible lenders from loaning any money. What assets does he have for his new shell company\> ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/76 "2022-09-22T00:59:00Z")
Well that depends. Do debts to banks count as ā€œassetsā€? ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/77 "2022-09-22T01:05:28Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Pretty soon weā€™ll need to use a microscope to see his remaining supporters. All that will be left are the bacteria I believe SARS-COV-2 is a big Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/78 "2022-09-22T01:30:15Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Pretty soon weā€™ll need to use a microscope to see his remaining supporters. I accept your evidence that his strongest supporters are losing enthusiasm. But they still have only one vote, and they still support him. If the 2024 election was held today, Trump could easily do better than last time: [Trump vs. Biden](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html) Itā€™s true that Biden is up by 3 points in the latest poll in my last link. But merging the two September 2022 polls to date, there is a popular vote tie. And given the electoral college, that feels to me like a Trump lead. Yes it is far, far in advance, but month after month, I look at that web page, and Trump is just about always ahead. If he was convicted by a jury of his peers, exhausted all appeals, and had to run from prison,. I do believe that would hurt him with swing voters. And Iā€™m sure that will not happen in the next 26 months. P.S. I actually think he would be in electoral trouble if convicted by a unanimous jury verdict, even if appeals were pending. But not because of the conviction. It would be because the unanimous verdict was a symptom of great loss of electoral support. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/79 "2022-09-22T01:33:47Z")
Assuming Trump et al. lose bigly, could the court order seizure of his golf courses to pay the judgment? heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/80 "2022-09-22T01:57:37Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Creating a new company doesnā€™t create the money, though. Since when has Trump ever needed silly things like money? Heā€™s rich. The rich (somehow) manage to not need money. No, I donā€™t understand how that works, either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=5)