# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1202 "2023-11-07T21:01:08Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > …each day’s hrgs,… hrgs? j ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1203 "2023-11-07T21:01:50Z")
Shorthand for ‘hearing?’ ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1204 "2023-11-07T21:02:19Z")
Ah. Makes sense. Ta j ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1205 "2023-11-07T21:54:27Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > he’s not suggesting that the lobby night shift custodian is responsible for verifying that general accounting principles are applied to estimating property values on loan applications. I would hope that if the night shift custodian found two sets of ledgers, one marked “Show to the authorities”; the other marked 'Under no circumstances show to the authorities", he would report that to the authorities. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1206 "2023-11-07T21:59:47Z")
Yes, hearings. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1207 "2023-11-07T23:25:02Z")
There is something [fundamentally wrong with Trump lawyer Alina Habba.](https://www.rawstory.com/alina-habba-fox-news/?cx_testId=6&cx_testVariant=cx_undefined&cx_artPos=0&cx_experienceId=EXC93HV4HK4I#cxrecs_s) > She declared that New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron does not have a “respect for authority” after he cautioned her client during testimony on Monday. > “There’s a real disregard for authority here and a real primary focus on politics,” the attorney remarked. “And that’s what we’re seeing in the courtroom.”… “I mean, who’s bigger than Donald Trump?” she asked. “And you sit there, and you’re trying to challenge him. It’s not going to work.” What the hell. Does she really not understand how a trial works, and the position and duties of the judge in a trial? Or does she really think that Trump is a God-King whose word can never be questioned by a mortal man? Probably both. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1208 "2023-11-07T23:30:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > What the hell. Does she really not understand how a trial works, and the position and duties of the judge in a trial? Or does she really think that Trump is a God-King whose word can never be questioned by a mortal man? He probably told her at lunch to start making a stink. About anything. Or else! (Or else he was going to fire her, or not pay her, or both!). He’ll eventually toss her under the bus, too, so he may as well get his money’s worth and pressure her into making a scene - hey, it could work to get Judgey to slip and create an ember of impropriety on his part! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1209 "2023-11-07T23:32:11Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > A tie means he loses any number of cases where he was in Big Trouble wrt the facts and the law, _no matter what_. > > But as long as he can get other people to write him checks, and attorneys of dubious quality to throw shit against the wall for him … I still don’t see how he has anything to lose by never retreating. In this case, he loses the right to operate his businesses in New York, the heart of his supposed empire; a lot of his assets get sold out from under him to pay the fines likely to be levied against him; that sounds a lot like disaster to me. I doubt the grift will make up for the losses. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1210 "2023-11-07T23:35:28Z")
We don’t disagree, but … when you ain’t got nothing, you got nothin’ to lose. He has nothing to lose _by throwing anything and everything he can_ at it. Most of us would go broke _and then_ still suffer the consequences. [segue] Another way to frame an earlier comment of mine is to analogize the strategy of Trump’s legal team to that of Ted Nugent: > In a 1970s High Times article, American singer-songwriter and future conservative activist Ted Nugent stated that he took crystal meth, and urinated and defecated in his pants before his physical, in order to avoid being drafted into the Vietnam War. I think there are parallels here. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1211 "2023-11-07T23:40:48Z")
Heh. It’s true, Trump is alleged to wear Depends. What I think will really enrage him is seeing his properties sold for their real market value, perhaps even at distress prices depending on how swiftly the receiver puts them up for sale. He’ll probably sprain his thumbs rage-tweeting. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1212 "2023-11-07T23:42:56Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > “Before each day starts, write STFU on your hand where you can see it.” 🎶 Donald, there’s a thing you can do I said, Donald, when you’re in deep doodoo Just keep quiet, and I’m sure you will find It will give us some peace of mind It’s smart to zip it and S-T-F-U It’s smart to zip it and S-T-F-U That might give you a shot To not totally fail You might even stay out of jail 🎶 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1213 "2023-11-08T00:06:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Probably both. Yeah. > **[Trump Lawyer Habba Takes Senior Role on MAGA Political Group](https://news.yahoo.com/trump-lawyer-habba-takes-senior-231057237.html)** > > (Bloomberg) -- One of former President Donald Trump’s top lawyers has taken on a role as senior adviser for his new political action committee, pressing his MAGA message even as she defends him in a series of high-stakes lawsuits. Most Read from... > **[Trump Lawyers Concoct Theory That FBI Is Sabotaging Trump](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-lawyers-float-the-possibility-that-the-fbi-is-sabotaging-trump)** > > With details emerging about potentially classified material being removed from Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s allies and lawyers took to the airwaves to claim the FBI was planting evidence. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1214 "2023-11-08T00:08:06Z")
“In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.” ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1215 "2023-11-08T00:17:41Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1216 "2023-11-08T00:43:50Z")
> **[Trump wants to call 127 witnesses in New York fraud trial: report](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-fraud-trial-127-witnesses/)** > > Donald Trump's extensive list of potential witnesses in his New York civil fraud trial is more than 100 people long, MSNBC legal correspondent Lisa Rubin revealed Tuesday.According to Rubin, Trump's lawyers filed a list of 127 potential witnesses... > **[https://i.redd.it/39hg3d0yt5c71.gif](https://i.redd.it/39hg3d0yt5c71.gif)** ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1217 "2023-11-08T01:22:50Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > And I suppose that “pro forma” was perhaps a bit too generous. More like, “not uncommon.” I don’t think “de rigueur” is a term of legal art, but I feel like it fits here. “We move for mistrial because fashion demands it.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1218 "2023-11-08T01:25:46Z")
The thing is, a mistrial just means they start over. Is that really what they want? I would have expected a motion for directed verdict. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1219 "2023-11-08T01:27:37Z")
Is a directed verdict still a thing in a bench trial? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1220 "2023-11-08T01:28:35Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > a mistrial just means they start over. And the clock keeps ticking. If the clock ticks long enough, Trump hopes the regained power of the presidency will save his worthless hide. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1221 "2023-11-08T01:29:42Z")
Not w/NY or GA, though – state vs. federal. Worthless hide? Oh, yeah. All day long. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=62)