# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1282 "2023-11-08T19:19:20Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > weisselberg has taken the stand. not sure about mcconney… Yes, and clearly committed perjury, as _Forbes_ demonstrated while he was still testifying. Hasn’t been seen since. See upthread, a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1283 "2023-11-08T19:27:27Z")
Yeah. I’m looking at some of that Weisselberg/McConney testimony now: > **[Trump fraud trial highlights: Allen Weisselberg grilled on financial records](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/live-blog/trump-fraud-trial-live-updates-rcna119250)** > > The latest news and live updates on Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial. The former president is being sued for $250 million. I’m wondering, though: since we established that this is _not_ simply the penalty phase, but also litigates Causes of Action _not_ dispensed with by Summary Judgment (and _not_ currently under appeal) … Will we see Weisselberg and McConney again in this go-around. Hm. ETA: greatest hits from the above article: > [@](#): > > Key moments from the first week at trial > The first witness called by the prosecution, Donald Bender, a former accountant for Trump, admitted that he didn’t dispute valuations of individual assets and also said he didn’t recall noticing any failure to disclose the methods used to value those assets, contrary to industry guidelines. > > Trump’s lawyers sought to undermine Bender’s credibility, prompting a heated exchange between defense attorney Chris Kise and Judge Arthur Engoron. > > A second accountant, Camron Harris, said in his testimony that the Trump family and their company, the Trump Organization, are responsible for their own financial statements. > > Trump who attended the trial for its first three days, railed against the court proceedings, calling them a “disgrace” and a “witch hunt” on Wednesday. He did not appear in court on Thursday or Friday. > > At the end of the week, as prosecutors questioned Jeffrey McConney, a former Trump Organization senior vice president, he admitted that the company’s former longtime CFO, Allen Weisselberg, sought his help to commit tax fraud. Just as a refresher. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1284 "2023-11-08T19:39:49Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > (I’m not sure if it is part of this case or not but I recall there is some aspect of one of Trump’s trials that is going to be appealed to a three-judge panel consisting of two Obama judges and one Biden judge. I can only imagine what those judges are going through already, even having basically zero involvement at this point in time.) Not this case. It’s in the NY state system, so wouldn’t go to the federally appointed courts. Maybe the Meadows application to have the Georgia case moved to federal court? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1285 "2023-11-08T19:44:13Z")
I think “Ivanka” is Czech for “I don’t remember”. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1286 "2023-11-08T19:53:52Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Ah, so she’s playing the same card as the rest: “I’m too stupid to remember what my job was or what I did.” The entire trump family seems to have a inherited memory issue. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1287 "2023-11-08T20:16:05Z")
I saw a comment on the the article above saying something like: Republicans keep harping on Biden’s perceived cognitive issues, but they have no problem with a Republican in a courtroom saying over-and-over “I can’t remember. I can’t remember. I can’t remember.” 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1288 "2023-11-08T20:52:54Z")
It’s going great, folks. > **[Trump lawyer Alina Habba objects to her own documents in courtroom stumble](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-fraud-trial-alina-habba-documents/)** > > Donald Trump's lawyers spent Wednesday morning objecting to the Attorney General's Office asking to enter several documents into evidence -- but one of them was their own.As witness Ivanka Trump took the stand, prosecutors asked her several questions... > [@](#): > > Habba objected to the email being entered, claiming that it was never sent. The New York prosecutors contradicted it, saying that the email was sent, showing the date. > > Prosecutor Kevin Wallace stepped in to address the authenticity, saying the document Habba objected to was one of their own documents. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1289 "2023-11-08T20:54:43Z")
Here’s how Ivanka was welcomed to the court today…(protesters shouting “Crime Family, Crime Family, Crime Family!!”)… > I effing LOVE New Yorkers! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1290 "2023-11-08T21:00:56Z")
> [@](#): > > the document Habba objected to was one of their own documents “Only the best people” — Donald J. Trump, 2016 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1291 "2023-11-08T21:12:18Z")
Cross examination of Invanka. From CNN: > Ivanka Trump said her family’s vision for the renovation of the Doral golf resort in Florida was shared with Deutsche Bank in the negotiations process for the funding. > > “They were quite excited about it,” she said of Deutsche Bank. “They sent teams of people down to tour the property to visit the property and to experience it in advance of our purchase.” > > Donald Trump had a “sentimental affection” for the Doral property in Florida, his daughter said. He would tell her stories about going there as a child with his father and later with her mother, Ivana. I have to admit I am not a lawyer, but I’m a bit confused about how this family tidbit would excuse fraudulent behavior. What was the point? Do they think this will bring a tear to the judge’s eye? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1292 "2023-11-08T21:16:25Z")
“Your Honor, we’ve been flinging around _quite a bit of it_ in these proceedings. It stands to reason that we’d get some of it on us eventually.” /s ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1293 "2023-11-08T21:22:48Z")
> [@](#): > > protesters shouting “Crime Family, Crime Family, Crime Family!!” From their lips to God’s ears. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1294 "2023-11-08T21:25:59Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/W8otwr7ArmA/maxresdefault.jpg "The Trial | Red Dwarf | BBC Studios") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8otwr7ArmA&t=114) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1295 "2023-11-08T22:05:14Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Yes, that’s the sub-text of DJT’s speechifying about his perfect disclaimers: « No-one should have believed anything in our documents. Buncha suckers! » And this is going to make any self-respecting entity – corporate or corporeal – ever want to do business with the Trump crime family again? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1296 "2023-11-08T22:21:14Z")
“There’s a sucker born every minute!” — ~~P.T. Barnum~~ Donald J. Trump ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1297 "2023-11-08T22:40:47Z")
Worst case is: “Here’s $35 million dollars and a nice cushy government job from President Trump. Still have objections?” ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1298 "2023-11-08T22:45:24Z")
Sounds like they’re trying to humanize the unhumanizable. A little too late for that. ---
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> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > Ah, so she’s playing the same card as the rest: “I’m too stupid to remember what my job was or what I did.” > > The entire trump family seems to have a inherited memory issue. 😀 Barron should start taking ginkgo biloba NOW, just to be on the safe side. ---
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> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > protesters shouting “Crime Family, Crime Family, Crime Family!!” > > From their lips to God’s ears. How long before someone puts that audio on a clip of Cersei’s walk of shame? ---
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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I have to admit I am not a lawyer, but I’m a bit confused about how this family tidbit would excuse fraudulent behavior. What was the point? Do they think this will bring a tear to the judge’s eye? You’re kidding right? During Trump’s testimony he responded to a question about a property’s value by talking about China, Russia and Joe Biden’s poll numbers. If Ivanka wants to talk about her father’s affection for the golf resort, and her wonderful memories of visiting there as a child…at least that tangent _mentions_ the property. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=66)