# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1382 "2023-11-12T09:43:17Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > > I recognise the Yalta Conference, and I see Ivanka at the G20 conference. I’m missing something, though. I’m not sure why it’s funny. > > At G20 she shouldn’t have been there at all, it’s totally inappropriate. It’s a _reductio ad absurdum_ of her inserting herself into summit negotiations and acting like she’s an important part of it. Now you have me thinking about a _Forrest Gump_ reboot with Ivanka as the lead. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1383 "2023-11-12T10:11:32Z")
I’m not watching that. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1384 "2023-11-12T11:30:54Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I’m not sure how Trump would have otherwise threaded that needle: your money is mine if they need an updated financial statement, but it’s _not mine_ if I default and they seek to enforce the personal guarantee. Sorry, I’m having trouble getting my head around the notion of the America-hating fuckstick saying something isn’t his. ETA: except responsibility, of course. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1385 "2023-11-12T17:02:04Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I’m not watching that. I probably would. She has that bland, blonde attractiveness, but lack of underlying character, that would probably get me to watch her movie around 16 hours into an 18 hour cross continental flight, once I had watched pretty much everything else. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1386 "2023-11-12T17:13:14Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > She has that bland, blonde attractiveness, but lack of underlying character, Kinda like a porn actress, or at least the characters played by porn actresses. Darn good for what they’re good for, and not good for much else. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1387 "2023-11-12T17:30:33Z")
Moderating: > [@LSLGuy](#): > > Kinda like a porn actress, or at least the characters played by porn actresses. Darn good for what they’re good for, and not good for much else. Ivanka’s value as a porn actress isn’t germane to this discussion, and it has taken an unfortunate objectifying turn. Let’s drop this conversation now. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1388 "2023-11-12T19:19:47Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > TrumpCo has been found guilty of fraud. The trial is to determine the penalties. Not quite. There is no “guilt” because this is not a criminal trial. They were found _liable_ of fraud, but there are 6 other civil claims that they are being sued for, and this trial is to determine whether they are liable for them as well, as well as penalties for all of the liability. > **[Trump set to return to the civil fraud trial that could threaten his business...](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/trump-set-return-civil-trial-threaten-business-empire/story?id=104027258)** > > Former President Trump is expected to return Tuesday to the New York City courtroom where the future of his business empire is being decided. > Among his findings, the judge’s ruling found that Trump falsely claimed his penthouse apartment in New York’s Trump Tower was three times larger than its actual size, and that Trump overvalued his Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida by at least 2,300% in part by ignoring a deed restriction on the property. Trump’s lawyers have appealed Engoron’s ruling, which they argue was wrongly decided. > > The judge left six of James’ claims, including whether the defendants engaged in a conspiracy to commit fraud, to be decided at trial – along with any fine that Trump might be required to pay if the court so determined It has been claimed and debunked multiple times in this thread that the trial is solely about damages. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1389 "2023-11-12T20:49:25Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It has been claimed and debunked multiple times in this thread that the trial is solely about damages. I think this is in part because none of the explanations in the press have been very clear about exactly what is being decided now (aside from the size of financial penalties), how it differs from what has already been decided and what is important. Can anyone link to a good explanation? Perhaps there’s even one upthread that I missed. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1390 "2023-11-12T23:53:14Z")
Try [post #1165](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1165) in this thread ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1391 "2023-11-13T14:25:44Z")
today the defence calls jr back to the stand. he will be able to ramble on this time. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1392 "2023-11-13T14:47:35Z")
The more they ramble, the more shit gets on record. IOW > **Prosecutor** : Were you lying here on page 124 of your transcript, or over there on page 247? They can’t both be true. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1393 "2023-11-13T14:48:28Z")
Junior’s a smart guy. My predicted response: > No, but they can both be _lies._ BOOM! In your FACE!! /s ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1394 "2023-11-13T18:49:57Z")
the morning had a slide show of the trump org.'s history and buildings, with jr. narrating. the judge over ruled the objection from the da. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1395 "2023-11-13T19:17:05Z")
If by some miracle there was a mistrial, I wonder if they could ask for a jury trial in the do-over. That would be a great delaying tactic, if allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1396 "2023-11-13T19:44:20Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I think the Trump team realizes they’ve already lost and there’s not much they can do. I’m guessing this is an attempt by Trump to delay a verdict by wasting the court’s time with many, many witnesses and to play to the crowd’s sympathy when/if Engoron strikes testimony that’s immaterial or otherwise tries to limit what they say. Agreed. While this case can’t be stalled all the way to the election, stalling here might help with stalling some other cases. And the other objective is to have the talking point of “We had 100+ witnesses testify for us, and that corrupt judge wouldn’t let them speak / ignored their testimony” I don’t think it even matters what they say. If some of them were to criticize trump, then the average trump supporter would simply conclude that that person is corrupt or was coerced. That’s if they were to hear about it at all. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1397 "2023-11-14T00:48:53Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > If by some miracle there was a mistrial Oh, man, I misread that at first glance, and it put an image in my head. What if a great mistral rose up and blew all his arguments into the sky, whither it would carry them into the whirling blades of a copse of wind turbines, to be shredded into confetti, such as would comport in kind with his thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1398 "2023-11-14T05:26:14Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > If by some miracle there was a mistrial, I wonder if they could ask for a jury trial in the do-over. That would be a great delaying tactic, if allowed. IANAL, but mistrials are extremely rare in bench trials. A mistrial occurs in a jury trial when the jury can’t reach an unanimous verdict, or when something happens - like witness tampering, inadmissible evidence being presented to the jury or an outburst containing hearsay by a witness that’s so damning that the jury is irreparably tainted. For a bench trial to mistrial, the misdeed would have to be so egregious that the finder of fact - the judge- would have to rule that it was beyond _his own_ ability to ignore it. The key point - and the reason mistrials are so rare in bench trials - is that the decision to declare a mistrial belongs to the judge alone. If Trump wants to ask for a mistrial on the grounds that Judge Engoron is prejudiced because he’s a poopyhead that is friends with some Democrats….good luck in getting Judge Engoron to grant that motion. If he wants a third party to decide if Judge Engoron was biased, that’s called an appeal. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1399 "2023-11-14T05:27:34Z")
Habba thinks the law clerk’s RBF might be grounds for a mistrial. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1400 "2023-11-14T05:37:11Z")
RBF ? Yes discourse that is a complete sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1401 "2023-11-14T05:38:34Z")
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