# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1782 "2024-01-11T18:40:09Z")
Good. Enough bullshit is enough. He’s been handled with kid gloves, but there comes a point where the toddler has to be told to put down the scissors before he hurts himself. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1783 "2024-01-11T18:40:10Z")
I’m picturing a male dog that’s just been forcibly removed from his romantic encounter with the hassock. No. Seriously. I am. There’s something desperately wrong with me. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1784 "2024-01-11T18:50:34Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > “The facts are the financial statements are perfect, that there are no witnesses against us. The banks got all their money paid back. There were great loans," Trump continued. So the loans were perfect becasue Trump and the bank made money? What about the tax fraud Donald? The taxes you didn’t pay to New York because you devauled property for tax purposes and inflated the value for loan purposes? What about the people who could not get more favorable loans becasue they loaned the money to you under fradulant conditions? The state of New York, the taxpayers and other businesses who play by the rules are the victums here. It was a perfect scam until you caught. And the witnesses, they were the documents you and your team signed off on as being truthful. The witness is the state of New York you fool. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1785 "2024-01-11T19:04:50Z")
I think we are around ten or fifteen minutes from the prosecution starting. They are allotted 2.5 hours. It would be funny if they just said, “The prosecution rests”. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1786 "2024-01-11T19:06:28Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > It would be funny if they just said, “The prosecution rests”. Agreed. But making Trump sit there a listen for two hours is sweet too ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1787 "2024-01-11T19:09:37Z")
Another snippet from Trump’s diatribe > In the rambling address, Trump said: “What happened here, sir, is a fraud on me.” > Trump muttered at one point to the judge, “I know you have your agenda.” > “Mr. Kise, please control your client,” Engoron fired back. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1788 "2024-01-11T19:30:28Z")
> [@](#): > > “What happened here, sir, is a fraud on me.” Really milking the ‘every accusation’ thing, isn’t he. > [@Procrustus](#): > > But making Trump sit there a listen for two hours is sweet too Can he though? Can Trump sit there with his mouth shut for 2+ hours while a prosecutor lays everything out for all to see? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1789 "2024-01-11T19:31:03Z")
The prosecution has started. Trump did not return to the courtroom but he will be speaking to the press later today. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1790 "2024-01-11T19:36:30Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Trump did not return to the courtroom Because of course he didn’t. The little thin-skinny baby man can not stand to hear factual statements that point out his blatant fraud. Likely, his own lawyers told him to stay the hell away, because they knew they could not control the toddler. They probably promised him a hamberder and two (TWO!) scoops of ice cream if he left. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1791 "2024-01-11T19:39:23Z")
I am sure he is watching on TV from a safe distance, and he will hear everything, but in private. With his pudding. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1792 "2024-01-11T19:40:00Z")
He’s speaking to the media right now. It’s on CNN, likely elsewhere too. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1793 "2024-01-11T19:45:29Z")
He was asked if he will go to the documents trial, and he says “I wanna go to all my trials…” like it’s part of his social calendar. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1794 "2024-01-11T19:46:39Z")
The usual blather. “Election interference, set up by Biden, blah blah blah.” He’s a victim, and it’s Biden’s fault. Letitia James met with Biden recently; he just found out about that. Of course, they were planning something against him. He’s taking questions, but not giving answers, just blathering. “The documents case? I’m protected by the Presidential Records act, Biden isn’t. Biden and the Democrats are weaponizing a bunch of alphabet agencies to go after his political opponents including me.” He just left the room. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1795 "2024-01-11T19:51:45Z")
I agree that while the man shouldn’t have been allowed to speak, it’s also a bench trial. If the judge wants to let Trump rant and rave like a sovereign citizen going on and on about joinder and legal names and how the court doesn’t have any jurisdiction over him well, there’s no jury to worry about or anything. Let the man hang himself and give the State everything they asked for, maybe more. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1796 "2024-01-11T19:54:58Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > I agree that while the man shouldn’t have been allowed to speak, it’s also a bench trial. If the judge wants to let Trump rant and rave like a sovereign citizen going on and on about joinder and legal names and how the court doesn’t have any jurisdiction over him well, there’s no jury to worry about or anything. Yup, that’s why I said I doubt the Chewbacca Defense is going to work properly on Engoron. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1797 "2024-01-11T19:57:43Z")
Chewbacca is a large Ewok. Ewoks live on Endor. Endor… Engoron… Hmmmmm ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1798 "2024-01-11T20:07:14Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > This bit from the summary CNN is giving on Kise’s closing arguments seems like a doozy of a backhanded compliment: > > > When Kise finished his roughly two-hour presentation, Engoron noted it was “quite the feat of endurance." I’ve been on my feet arguing for that length of time. It takes physical and mental endurance. I’m usually wiped after that type of court day. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1799 "2024-01-11T20:12:20Z")
I read an article recently that said Taylor Swift’s training regimen for her last tour involved singing her entire repertoire for 3 and a half hours while running on a treadmill. I wonder if lawyers have similar workout routines? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1800 "2024-01-11T20:21:11Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I read an article recently that said Taylor Swift’s training regimen for her last tour involved singing her entire repertoire for 3 and a half hours while running on a treadmill. I wonder if lawyers have similar workout routines? I’m imagining Kise sprinting on the treadmill, thinking about Trump, and belting out > [@](#): > > We > Are Never ever ever > Getting back together! ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1801 "2024-01-11T20:35:23Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m imagining Kise sprinting on the treadmill, thinking about Trump, and belting out > > > [@](#): > > > > We > > Are Never ever ever > > Getting back together! Or old school style: _Hoo-hoo-hoo_ _Go on, take the money and run_ _Go on, take the money and run_ _Hoo-hoo-hoo_ _Go on, take the money and run_ _Ohh Lord_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=91)