# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [September 21, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991 "2022-09-21T16:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1842 "2024-01-13T17:29:43Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > And how does this impact the Carrol case? She has a judgment against him now, with another starting next week. Would she be able to get a property or money from ny? She also could put a lien on one or more of the properties and collect when they get sold. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1843 "2024-01-13T18:28:02Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > And how does this impact the Carrol case? She has a judgment against him now, with another starting next wee Didn’t Trump have to post a bond of $5M? If so, that’s how her judgment will be paid when the appeals are over. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1844 "2024-01-13T18:36:37Z")
In short, cash, but … yes: > **[Trump Agreed to 'Enhanced Monitoring' in Civil Fraud Case After Roughly $40...](https://themessenger.com/politics/trump-enhanced-monitoring-civil-fraud-undisclosed-transfers)** > > One transfer was the $5.5 million Trump used instead of a bond to appeal E. Jean Carroll's sexual assault judgment, the monitor says ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1845 "2024-01-13T21:56:21Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Another snippet from Trump’s diatribe > > > In the rambling address, Trump said: “What happened here, sir, is a fraud on me.” > > > Trump muttered at one point to the judge, “I know you have your agenda.” > > > “Mr. Kise, please control your client,” Engoron fired back. Is there any actual footage of Trump’s speech released? I’ve searched Youtube, and I find lots of people talking about it, but no video of the speech itself. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1846 "2024-01-13T22:02:37Z")
There won’t be. There is no video of the courtroom proceedings in this case. Judge Engoron allowed very limited video of court attendees prior to proceedings getting underway, but that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1847 "2024-01-13T22:30:48Z")
There’s this sketch, though. He does not look happy. [![](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-520x260,f_auto,q_auto:best/mpx/2704722219/2024_01/1705007881120_n_dw_deadline_controlyourclient_240111_1920x1080-8is2wv.jpg) ](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-520x260,f_auto,q_auto:best/mpx/2704722219/2024_01/1705007881120_n_dw_deadline_controlyourclient_240111_1920x1080-8is2wv.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1848 "2024-01-13T22:37:17Z")
I thought that was his happy face. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1849 "2024-01-13T22:44:33Z")
He’s Putin on a happy face! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1850 "2024-01-13T23:41:14Z")
I’ve seen that face before… [![](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/neoencyclopedia/images/e/eb/Hawat-1984.jpg) ](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/neoencyclopedia/images/e/eb/Hawat-1984.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1851 "2024-01-14T00:54:32Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > There won’t be. There is no video of the courtroom proceedings in this case. Judge Engoron allowed very limited video of court attendees prior to proceedings getting underway, but that’s it. Thanks for the info. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1852 "2024-01-14T01:29:24Z")
Most welcome. I think the only cases likely to be televised are the Georgia State election interference case and Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg’s hush money case. There is a lot of interest in having the January 6th federal case before Judge Tanya Chutkan televised, but it’s unlikely to happen. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1853 "2024-01-14T04:53:11Z")
Trump should have called him as a character witness. LOL > [@](#): > > Thank you to Sammy the Bull. I hope Judges Engoron & Kaplan see this. We need fairness, strength and honesty in our New York Courts. We don’t have it now! [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/6CsyyrE.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/6CsyyrE) Yeah, you and Sammy the Bull are all about fairness and honesty. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1854 "2024-01-14T05:08:55Z")
I noted that same story in the Pit thread about Trump headlines that sound like they are from The Onion. Why exactly does Trump think this is an endorsement worth cheering about? First, do we assume Sammy the Bull is being honest? But sure, let’s say Sammy is correct and he couldn’t get his hooks into Trump. The article I read said that Sammy was talking about having control over the unions. So all this tells me is that Trump is too cheap to use union labor. Did the mob try to sign Trump up but then find out that he couldn’t afford to pay union rates? Also, which politician in the history of ever has put out a statement to say “look at this gangster who says he never corrupted me! Look how honest I am!” That’s the kind of thing you should put on your resume! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1855 "2024-01-14T06:27:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’ve seen that face before… “The Fremen haters and losers will do anything to push their Sardaukar, Sardaukar, Sardaukar hoax. I spoke to the Emperor - he says it wasn’t his forces that attacked the Atreides compound, and I trust him more than I trust Liddle’ Leto Atreides or the radical left Marxists in the Landsraad. MAKE ARRAKIS GREAT AGAIN!” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1856 "2024-01-14T06:41:53Z")
Parody is all well and good, but some restraint may be advisable. > [@Howard W. Campbell Jr](#): > > I guess the moral here is: you must be careful what you pretend to be because in the end you are who you’re pretending to be. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1857 "2024-01-14T16:30:52Z")
> **[New York's Civil Lawsuit Against Trump Is Unconstitutional](https://reason.com/volokh/2024/01/14/new-yorks-civil-lawsuit-against-trump-is-unconstitutional/)** > > New York State Attorney General Letitia James' lawsuit against Donald Trump is unconstitutional and unfair. James is demanding that Trump,… This site tends to be fairly doctrinaire libertarian, but I find the argument that taking away Trumps right to do business is an unconstitutional bill of attainder persuasive. Is there precedent for doing this kind of thing, and what is the legal argument against the proposition? I would be interested in hearing the legal arguments . Also, how is the current Supreme court likely to rule on the question? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1858 "2024-01-14T16:46:26Z")
My understanding from various readings on this case is tht the laws have been used many times in the past with similar penalties, and none have been argued as unconstitutional - including 2 prior cases against Mr. Trump himself. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1859 "2024-01-14T17:02:50Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > This site tends to be fairly doctrinaire libertarian, but I find the argument that taking away Trumps right to do business is an unconstitutional bill of attainder persuasive. I don’t. That article is awful. The fact that it’s on a web site called “reason” is farcical. Let’s just start with the opening paragraph… It claims that since no bank accused Trump of fraud, he hasn’t committed fraud. It claims that Trump is being charged with a “victimless crime”. Trump is not charged with any crime yet, so that’s objectively false. It’s also false to say there are no victims. He cheated on his taxes. New York itself was a victim. He’s not being sentenced with criminal penalties so there is no bill of attainder. This piece doesn’t contain some novel argument so much as a fact-deprived ramble. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1860 "2024-01-14T17:06:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > a fact-deprived ramble In other words, much like the diatribes of the subject of the piece. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1861 "2024-01-14T17:12:34Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > This site tends to be fairly doctrinaire libertarian, but I find the argument that taking away Trumps right to do business is an unconstitutional bill of attainder persuasive. Cool, maybe she can have him locked up, instead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991.md?page=94)