# NY AG Letitia James drops the (civil) hammer {On Trump & Family} \[9/21/2022\]

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**Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1165 "2023-11-07T18:31:03Z")

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It’s worth calling out @Euphonious_Polemic for **[having clarified](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-ag-letitia-james-drops-the-civil-hammer-on-trump-family-9-21-2022/971991/1155)** that the current Letitia James/Trump trial is NOT simply a penalty phase:

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> **This trial concerns six remaining claims in the lawsuit, including allegations of conspiracy, falsifying business records and insurance fraud.** It is a non-jury trial, which Engoron said was legally required when a suit seeks not only money but a court order setting out something a defendant must do or not do.
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> James is seeking $250 million in penalties and a ban on Trump doing business in New York.

[bolding mine]

> **[Trump remains defiant in New York fraud trial that accuses him of lying about...](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-arrives-in-new-york-court-for-trial-in-lawsuit-that-could-jeopardize-his-real-estate-empire)**
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> Aggrieved and defiant, former President Donald Trump sat through hours of sometimes testy opening statements Monday in a fraud lawsuit that could cost him control of Trump Tower and other prized properties.

So the determination of “guilt or innocence” under the Civil Fraud charge isn’t yet complete.

As a practical matter, though, I’m not clear on how granularly the penalties could be assessed, or if – effectively – there’s an all-or-nothing aspect to this.

I’m assuming the claims/charges tie to individual properties, and that fighting the judgment on remaining claims still has the potential to reduce the money judgment and Equitable Relief penalties Trump could potentially face.

Though … it’s possible that prevailing in remaining claims could save him some money judgments but have no effect on being stripped of his ability to do biz in NYS.

Maybe 😉

ETA: cite for the top part:

> Upon the foregoing documents, it is hereby ordered that defendants motion for summary judgment is denied, plaintiff’s motion for partial summary judgment is granted in part, and plaintiff’s motion for sanctions is granted in part, all as detailed herein

[**SOURCE - 35pp PDF**](https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/trump-judges-ruling/ce6de7d636227e1b/full.pdf)

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