# NY Gov Spitzer Admits Involvement in Prostitution Ring **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 10, 2008, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859 "2008-03-10T18:36:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/261 "2008-03-15T20:04:50Z")
Err - yes, the cite is dividing those who earn minimum wage into two categories. **Evil Captor** was denying that one of the categories was of any significant size - the younger teen-ager category. More than half of those who earn minimum wage are actually in that category, not the poor-oppressed-beat-down-by-poverty-and-the-heartless-capitalist-hegemony category that he was alleging. That having been said, did you have a point? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/262 "2008-03-15T20:18:52Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Err - yes, the cite is dividing those who earn minimum wage into two categories. **Evil Captor** was denying that one of the categories was of any significant size - the younger teen-ager category. More than half of those who earn minimum wage are actually in that category, not the poor-oppressed-beat-down-by-poverty-and-the-heartless-capitalist-hegemony category that he was alleging. That having been said, did you have a point? Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] You need a refresher in reading comprehension. Evil Captor said this: > [@](#): > > You’re the guy with no concept, if you think only kids looking for pocket change hold down McJobs. You have no idea what a beat-down years of poverty can be. That is pretty much the complete opposite of your interpretation – the actual point being that very substantial numbers of people with McJobs are NOT teenagers looking for some extra spending money. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/263 "2008-03-16T19:38:20Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] You need a refresher in reading comprehension. [/quote] No I don’t. > [@](#): > > That is pretty much the complete opposite of your interpretation – the actual point being that very substantial numbers of people with McJobs are NOT teenagers looking for some extra spending money. Nope. **Evil Captor** certainly said something the opposite of what my cite said. That’s because what he said is wrong. Most people with McJobs are teen-agers looking for extra spending money, and this has nothing to do with being beat down by years of poverty. Check the figures on family incomes from my cite. I’ll let your insult about reading comprehension pass this time. I’m right, and you’re wrong. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/264 "2008-03-16T19:44:53Z")
> [@](#): > > That having been said, did you have a point? No, it just seemed like an awkward way to word it. I’d have written: _53 percent of minimum wage-earners are between the ages of 16 and 24 and usually in school._ Much simpler and more direct. I didn’t know if there was some larger point the author was trying to make in context by writing it the way he did. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/265 "2008-03-16T22:39:06Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] No I don’t. Nope. **Evil Captor** certainly said something the opposite of what my cite said. That’s because what he said is wrong. Most people with McJobs are teen-agers looking for extra spending money, and this has nothing to do with being beat down by years of poverty. Check the figures on family incomes from my cite. I’ll let your insult about reading comprehension pass this time. I’m right, and you’re wrong. Deal with it. [/QUOTE] Please point out what **Evil Captor** said that you were refuting. All I could find was the one sentence that you cited, which was entirely factually correct, and which you claimed to refute. But in fact, you made up some point, which you attributed to **Evil Captor** , and proceeded to refute that. Let us review. **Evil Captor** said this: > [@](#): > > You’re the guy with no concept, if you think only kids looking for pocket change hold down McJobs. You have no idea what a beat-down years of poverty can be. Your “refutation” claims the majority of minimum wage workers are young. Whether or not this is factually correct, and I have no reason to disbelieve it, **Evil Captor** didn’t make any claim to the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/266 "2008-03-17T03:08:24Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] Only? No. Mostly? [Yup.](http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm1186.cfm) Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] I can cede _just barely_ “mostly” given that your cite shows that 47 percent of people in McJobs are 25 years or older. Seems to indicate a lot of older workers in McJobs. If you’d bothered to read the post I was refuting, MacGiver said McJobs were “jobs held by high school kids to make pocket change.” Your cite refutes his point very handily. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/267 "2008-03-17T12:46:38Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] I If you’d bothered to read the post I was refuting, MacGiver said McJobs were “jobs held by high school kids to make pocket change.” Your cite refutes his point very handily. Thanks! [/QUOTE] No, just the opposite - my cite establishes that what he said is true, and refutes your claim. It’s clear that you and **Boyo Jim** can’t be forced to understand something on which you choose to be ignorant. So it goes. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/268 "2008-03-17T20:10:05Z")
McDucks proudly claims to be a working place for Americans of all age groups. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/269 "2008-03-17T20:34:00Z")
[http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Novak\_suggests\_Republican\_operative\_was\_behind\_0317.html](http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Novak_suggests_Republican_operative_was_behind_0317.html) Heres a story by a super conservative saying Spitzer was targeted . ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859/270 "2008-03-17T20:36:34Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] No, just the opposite - my cite establishes that what he said is true, and refutes your claim. It’s clear that you and **Boyo Jim** can’t be forced to understand something on which you choose to be ignorant. So it goes. Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] Frankly I couldn’t care less about the subject of the thread. I do care a bit about the English language. It’s clear to me that either you don’t understand it, or because you are constitutionally unable to admit an error, you are pretending that you understood what was said and made an appropriate response. Or you understood everything and have been trying to bullshit and blather your way through. Well, you win. There is certainly no more point to this discussion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ny-gov-spitzer-admits-involvement-in-prostitution-ring/440859.md?page=13)