# NYC Mayor election thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 24, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085 "2025-06-24T17:40:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/61 "2025-06-25T10:36:15Z")
> [@oldgoon](#): > > This is a mistake when handling the subject of the middle east in the west. …nah. Firstly: that’s an interesting photo that editorial chose to run with on Jonathan Chait’s opinion article. Secondly: anyone familiar with Chait’s political leanings would know what stance he was gonna take here. He thinks that “progressive overreach” on things like trans rights are what gave Trump the win even when the Democrats barely campaigned on trans rights at all. Absolutely nobody is surprised he’s taken the same stance on “globalize the intifada.” These pundits like Chait and Yglesias, consultants like Carville and Bitecofer…they all _insist_ upon themselves. They got it exactly wrong…so wrong it helped drive the Democrats off the cliff. And they can’t concede they got anything wrong. None of the Democrat leadership can do that. As far as they are concerned its just another day at the office. If the “liberals” _have_ to win, then they can fight the progressives for it in the marketplace of ideas. Because the “liberals” aren’t fighting for the working class, and they aren’t fighting for the average people and they actually overwhelmingly _support_ fighting wars over in the distant land and many people in America are starting to see that. It’s actually the progressives who have actionable plans to help the working class and average people and people at the bottom that nobody wants to fight for. And “identity politics” from progressives is absolutely NOT responsible for making bigotry and division worse than its ever been. Its the _bigots_ that are responsible for that. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/62 "2025-06-25T11:10:48Z")
Glad you mentioned Rachel Bitecofer, who is an unrelenting warrior against Trumpism and advocate for smart Democratic Party strategy. But she went on a fairly bitter Xitter rant last night about NYC voters, claiming this result (not mathematically clinched yet) is actually a setback for the party in the long run. I think she’s missing the important point that younger voters want a new, younger-thinking party leadership. There’s some kind of message to be gleaned when youthful male voters, who have been drifting rightward, went strongly for Mamdani yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/63 "2025-06-25T11:48:59Z")
I was briefly amused to learn that Zohran attended the same primary school as me for a couple of years; and then slightly horrified when I realised he was a couple of grades behind me. I’m not that old, dammit! ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/64 "2025-06-25T11:55:30Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > (With the small caveat, tempering my own earlier messages as well, that this is just the primary. Perhaps incumbent Adams can pull off an independent upset. Perhaps something else will happen. It’s _likely_ that Mamdani will become mayor, and all the above will become operative, but not _certain._) Despite your small print, this deserves to be highlighted. Mamdami won, but this is just the primary. The incumbent mayor is running for re-election as an Independent, and there is a GOP candidate as well. However scandal-plagued, it would be very foolish to write off Adams, who has shown Trump-like ability to shrug off what should be major liabilities. And could a deep Dem party rift open the door for GOP candidate Curtis Sliwa to slip through? (I doubt it - he seems like a lightweight/fringe candidate to me, but who the hell knows?) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/65 "2025-06-25T12:00:05Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Despite your small print, this deserves to be highlighted. Mamdami won, but this is just the primary. The incumbent mayor is running for re-election as an Independent, and there is a GOP candidate as well. However scandal-plagued, it would be very foolish to write off Adams, who has shown Trump-like ability to shrug off what should be major liabilities. And could a deep Dem party rift open the door for GOP candidate Curtis Sliwa to slip through? (I doubt it - he seems like a lightweight/fringe candidate to me, but who the hell knows?) I’m curious how this’ll work, when there’s a strong progressive candidate in the front of the field, and a bunch of corrupt billionaire-supported assholes running as independents and Republicans. Normally, Adams and Cuomo would split the “I want a puppet of the billionaire class” vote. Does ranked choice make their job easier? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/66 "2025-06-25T12:06:24Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > it would be very foolish to write off Adams …I don’t think anyone can write off Adams. I’ll go even further: considering the totality of the world we are living in right now, including the fact that Adams was under indictment for corruption before literally getting a get-out-of-jail card, I’m not expecting a clean election, and it wouldn’t be silly to consider Adams a favourite no matter what any polling may say. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/67 "2025-06-25T12:22:30Z")
In a four-way race between Mamdani, Adams, Cuomo and Sliwa, who would we expect to be eliminated after the first round and where would we expect his second place votes to go? Asking for opinions because I don’t have much of a feel for the electorate in that scenario. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/68 "2025-06-25T12:34:04Z")
I don’t think the general election is ranked choice. EDIT: I googled and this was really hard to find. I’m still not positive, but I think I’m right - the NY election board website says that RCV is used for “primary and special elections”, but no mention of regular general elections. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/69 "2025-06-25T13:06:04Z")
It is indeed hard to find that information stated simply but it looks like you’re right and I was wrong. It’s the regularly scheduled election in November which means that voters will be back to the terrible FPTP system and some candidate will win with 60% of the electorate hating him. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/70 "2025-06-25T13:26:32Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > The incumbent mayor is running for re-election as an Independent, and there is a GOP candidate as well. There is…? 😅 … what?? …Sliwa _ **again** _ ??? WTF, NYC Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/71 "2025-06-25T15:30:20Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He’s promised to pay for them with a 2% tax on New Yorkers making more than $1,000,000 a year (or, New Yorkers who can afford to move) as well as by raising the state’s corporate tax rate from 7.25 to 11.5. > > You may have already noticed the problem with this plan, in which case, congrats - you’re smarter than Mamdani (not a high bar to clear). I cannot speak directly to Mamdani’s plan, but Massachusetts instituted a “[millionaire’s surtax](https://www.mass.gov/news/4-surtax-on-taxable-income-the-basics)” in 2023 after residents voted for it in a referendum. During the campaign, the anti side had a similar argument to yours, namely that rich people would move out of the state as a result. And yet, I read an article a couple of months ago that reported that the number of millionaires in MA has actually _increased_ since the tax was passed. And the surtax has generated about $2.5 billion in new revenue (more than anticipated!), almost all of which has been allocated to help our crumbling public transit infrastructrure and public education. I voted for that tax and am, so far, quite pleased with the results. It’s not a crazy idea and Mamdani can point to Massachusetts as a blueprint. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/72 "2025-06-25T15:41:12Z")
There is joy at Thing Fish Manor this morning. I heartily agree with Nate Silver’s unusually pointed headline this morning: [\> > # [Zohran delivered the Democratic establishment the thrashing it deserved](https://www.natesilver.net/p/zohran-delivered-the-democratic-establishment) > > ### It backed another tired, entitled candidate in Andrew Cuomo. Voters finally had enough. (not sure if article is paywalled) Miscellaneous takeaways from his article, which I generally agree with: 1. This was a comprehensive ass-kicking, with Mamdami winning many areas that you wouldn’t expect to vote for a Socialist (neighborhoods that went heavily for Clinton over Sanders in 2016, for instance). 2. NYC is fairly conservative as big cities go, with a lot of law-and-order voters and a big swing toward Trump last year. As a bellwether of public opinion, this is a much more impressive victory for the Left than a similar candidate winning in San Francisco or Portland would have been. 3. Leftists seem to do better when they focus on cost of living issues rather than being distracted by culture wars. 4. Mamrani, who started the race polling at 1%, is clearly a good politician and a rising star. 5. Cuomo was a crappy candidate. 6. The Democratic establishment sucks. Because he has a famous name and a big campaign bankroll, they were just going to anoint him as the candidate. It didn’t occur to anyone from the centrist wing of the Party that some voters maybe might have wanted a candidate who wasn’t a Socialist OR a sex offender. It’s the same lemming mentality that prevented any credible centrists from running against obviously flawed candidates like Clinton '16 or Biden '24. 7. If you want to attract younger voters, it’s probably good to not nominate 67 year olds. Anyway, three cheers for Zohran. Hope he does well. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/73 "2025-06-25T16:01:48Z")
Seriously, what is it with the “I refuse to go away, I will have the voters vindicate me” thing with the NY Dems? (See: Cuomo, Adams, Weiner, Spitzer). Is that organization really going to have to rely on “dark horse” candidates to come out of nowhere, like AOC and Zohran, to move along? I mean, hey, sure Adams was not really the guy the Establishment wanted and even setting aside dodgy dealings he hasn’t been exactly what neither the elite nor the base expected, but in 2021 he brought a winning offer to the table as it stood then. What was Cuomo bringing? Can he really still retain that much fundraising clout? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/74 "2025-06-25T16:12:26Z")
Spitzer doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the other 3. Spitzer wasn’t corrupt, didn’t mess around with kids, and didn’t violate anyone’s consent. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/75 "2025-06-25T16:13:33Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > However Mamdani turns out as a mayor, the dinosaur-fossils of the DNC and entrenched Democratic got-too-comfortable-for-their-own-good elites have officially been put on notice. I agree but I have no faith that the leadership will do much, if anything, about this. Instead, I think each will cling to their perks and play a game of musical-chairs till they are all gone. They are old enough they only have a cushy retirement in front of them even if they lose office. They will feel no pressure to change. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/76 "2025-06-25T16:21:11Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > I cannot speak directly to Mamdani’s plan, but Massachusetts instituted a “[millionaire’s surtax](https://www.mass.gov/news/4-surtax-on-taxable-income-the-basics)” in 2023 after residents voted for it in a referendum. During the campaign, the anti side had a similar argument to yours, namely that rich people would move out of the state as a result. And yet, I read an article a couple of months ago that reported that the number of millionaires in MA has actually _increased_ since the tax was passed. To be clear, my problem with the 2% millionaire tax is a minor one compared to the proposal to raise the corporate tax rate. Which again, is like a child running for student body president promising no homework and ice cream socials - not at all in his wheelhouse. Here’s the rest of my post that you cropped out of the quote where I explain this: > [@Babale](#): > > You may have already noticed the problem with this plan, in which case, congrats - you’re smarter than Mamdani (not a high bar to clear). > > Like a student body president who promised no homework and ice cream socials every Wednesday, the position to which Zohran has apparently been elected _does not actually have any influence over the state’s corporate tax rate_. New York’s governor already said she’s not interested in the tax hike. So most of Mamdani’s proposals are dead on arrival. > > Probably for the best. As for the millionaire tax - I’ll just note that there are fewer barriers to leaving city limits than to leaving the state. But we will see, that’s far from the biggest problem with Mamdani. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/77 "2025-06-25T16:48:22Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Here’s the rest of my post that you cropped out of the quote I cropped that out because I was not responding in any way to the corporate tax plan, only the millionaire’s tax. It is completely irrelevant to my post. > [@Babale](#): > > As for the millionaire tax - I’ll just note that there are fewer barriers to leaving city limits than to leaving the state. That’s true as far as it goes, but is not responsive to the facts of what has occurred in Massachusetts, i.e. a large net _influx_ of millionaires to the state and a huge boon to the state coffers. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/78 "2025-06-25T16:56:22Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > That’s true as far as it goes, but is not responsive to the facts of what has occurred in Massachusetts, i.e. a large net _influx_ of millionaires to the state and a huge boon to the state coffers. Looking up those numbers, there was an increase to people with a **net worth** of over 1 million dollars. The surtax in question impacts people who make _over 1 million dollars a year_. Those two groups are like, an order of magnitude apart, potentially? According to Mass Opportunity Alliance, the number of _people earning over $1,000,000 a year_ decreased sharply. Again, those are the people impacted by the tax, not simply people with a _net worth_ of over $1,000,000. Seems like someone is playing some funky games with net worth vs net income… I’d consider someone with a net income of over a million to be exceedingly rich; someone with a net worth of a million might barely be middle class, if that’s all locked in a house. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/79 "2025-06-25T19:52:42Z")
I shouldn’t be surprised: > **[Stephen Miller Invokes Racist Conspiracy Theory to Dismiss Mamdani](https://newrepublic.com/post/197219/stephen-miller-invokes-racist-conspiracy-theory-zohran-mamdani)** > > Trump’s right-hand man wants to blame immigrants for Zohran Mamdani’s upset victory in Tuesday’s New York City Democratic mayoral primary. > Trump consigliere Stephen Miller contributed to the ongoing meltdown over Zohran Mamdani’s upset victory in New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary with a nod to what’s known as the “great replacement theory.” > > Miller has long elevated the racist right-wing conspiracy theory, which posits that liberal elites are ushering in immigrants to replace native-born Americans and thereby make electoral gains. In 2019, The Guardian reported that Miller, in emails with a writer for the far-right site Breitbart, “promoted racist fears of demographic replacement of white people by non-whites.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2025, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085/80 "2025-06-25T19:54:34Z")
Indeed, a significant number of middle-class ordinary Americans who socked away even modest amounts of money in their 401k, Roth or S&P500 for decades would have over $1 million in worth right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-election-thread/1020085.md?page=5)