# NYC mayor is basically a Democratic version of Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 7, 2020, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257 "2020-04-07T06:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/61 "2020-04-09T11:27:37Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > Cite? [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881543](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881543) Here’s where he defines the term. Also, he cites “tons of evidence” (actual quote) there. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/62 "2020-04-09T12:51:42Z")
The OP reminds me of one of those Social Justice Warriors who can’t help but look at everything in life through the lens of their own particular obsession. For him, the obsession is Social Justice Warriors, and it pretty clearly colors his “analysis” of whatever he happens to be talking about. This thread is just an anti-SJW rant disguised as a criticism of Bill De Blasio. It’s a shame that he did it so badly, because De Blasio deserves plenty of criticism, but **Damuri** ’s single-minded hammering managed to distract the thread from the real issues. Luckily, some other people managed to get it on track and actually discuss De Blasio’s policies and failings. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/63 "2020-04-09T21:40:22Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > Cite? DeBlasio has the ability to create new magnet schools but decided he wants to change the admissions criteria of the top public school in NYC (with 75% asian enrollment) to reduce the asian population and improve the black and hispanic population. And his administration minimizes the efforts of poor asian immigrant kids and the sacrifices their families make in doing so. [https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/04/11/citys-plan-to-scrap-elite-schools-draws-accusations-of-racism-at-first-senate-forum-965825](https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/04/11/citys-plan-to-scrap-elite-schools-draws-accusations-of-racism-at-first-senate-forum-965825) > **[4 Myths Fueling the Fight Over NYC’s Exclusive High Schools](https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-admissions-controversy-fact-or-fiction/585460/)** > > Year after year, Stuyvesant High has abysmal enrollment rates for black and Latino students. But the debate over admissions reform is brimming with misunderstandings. > **[Diversity Over Quality](https://www.city-journal.org/article/diversity-over-quality)** > > At a state senate forum earlier this month on Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan to end the admissions test for New York City’s top high schools, an African-American woman went on a harangue about how Asian-Americans come from “a culture that has no problem... This is why I think DeBlasio is an SJW woke racist. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/64 "2020-04-09T21:46:04Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > The OP reminds me of one of those Social Justice Warriors who can’t help but look at everything in life through the lens of their own particular obsession. I am particular sensitive to racism and I undersand that othrs are not but I think they should be. > [@](#): > > For him, the obsession is Social Justice Warriors, and it pretty clearly colors his “analysis” of whatever he happens to be talking about. It might have something to do with how I define SJWs. In my opinion SJWs are mostly middle class privileged white folks who have so much white guilt that they become stupid. > [@](#): > > This thread is just an anti-SJW rant disguised as a criticism of Bill De Blasio. It’s a shame that he did it so badly, because De Blasio deserves plenty of criticism, but **Damuri** ’s single-minded hammering managed to distract the thread from the real issues. Luckily, some other people managed to get it on track and actually discuss De Blasio’s policies and failings. This thread was an anti-BdB rant. See the OP. I mentioned the racism and i wish I hadn’t because those two words “woke racist” seems to have hit a nerve and eclipsed everything else in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/65 "2020-04-09T21:47:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > …those two words “woke racist” seems to have hit a nerve… Yeah, who could have predicted that? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/66 "2020-04-09T21:56:48Z")
Remember when this thread was allegedly about de Blasio and COVID-19? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/67 "2020-04-09T22:13:27Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881543](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881543) > Here’s where he defines the term. Also, he cites “tons of evidence” (actual quote) there. 😉 Wait isn’t that the thread where you claimed to have “busted me” on my cite of Espenshade? Somehow you equated Espenshade saying that statistical evidence is not a smoking gun with an admissions that he doesn’t believe his statistical evidence. Do you honestly think that there isn’t discrimination against asians in admissions at competitive colleges? If we had this much evidence for discrimination against blacks, you would be marching in the streets. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/68 "2020-04-09T22:15:01Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Yeah, who could have predicted that? :rolleyes: Yes and it was a mistake. I wish I hadn’t done it. not because I don’t think it’s true but because people can’t seem to focus on anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/69 "2020-04-09T22:52:52Z")
Lol, u knew what you were doing. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/70 "2020-04-10T10:44:08Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Wait isn’t that the thread where you claimed to have “busted me” on my cite of Espenshade? Somehow you equated Espenshade saying that statistical evidence is not a smoking gun with an admissions that he doesn’t believe his statistical evidence. > > Do you honestly think that there isn’t discrimination against asians in admissions at competitive colleges? > > If we had this much evidence for discrimination against blacks, you would be marching in the streets. By all means, advertise the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/71 "2020-04-10T12:45:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Do you honestly think that there isn’t discrimination against asians in admissions at competitive colleges? If you want to make an assertion about this, then it’s your job to back it up with evidence that stands against scrutiny. Nobody is going to make the argument for you. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If we had this much evidence for discrimination against blacks, you would be marching in the streets. This is what we call an appeal to hypocrisy. It’s not a formal fallacy, in that it’s a reasoning error rather than flawed deductive argument. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/72 "2020-04-10T22:25:10Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > Lol, u knew what you were doing. Are you saying I’m lying? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/73 "2020-04-10T22:39:23Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > If you want to make an assertion about this, then it’s your job to back it up with evidence that stands against scrutiny. Nobody is going to make the argument for you. The arguments were made. They rely on statistical evidence because so far only one admissions dean has come out and admitted that this discrimination exists. If we had this much statistical evidence of discrimination against women, gays or any other minority, you would be marching in the streets. What more proof do you want? > [@](#): > > This is what we call an appeal to hypocrisy. It’s not a formal fallacy, in that it’s a reasoning error rather than flawed deductive argument. Doesn’t “appeal to hypocrisy”=“tu quoque” tu quoque is a fairly common fallacy This is not tu quoque. I am saying that I have already met the standard that you would set for racism against any other group, I am not defending my actions by pointing at you and saying “well you do it too” ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/74 "2020-04-10T23:17:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you saying I’m lying? I’m saying you’re smart enough to craft your posts in a manner that reflects what you want to portray. It’s a compliment really. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/75 "2020-04-11T00:59:42Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Doesn’t “appeal to hypocrisy”=“tu quoque” Not really. Not that I am saying you incurred in this either, but it has been seen in these boards more as a strategy to disarm the other side by accusing them of being hypocrites. And may I say, from my own side, I have often myself questioned people and organizations who get hung up on being Wokey McWokeface 24/7 about Every Damn Thing. But the particular phrase you used, yes, it was unfortunate; came across grating and distracting. Not the least because coming from another minority community there are those among us that are themselves just as guilty of that, and sometimes more annoyingly as they then will impugn our group membership if we don’t get with the program. (And FWIW, you used earlier \*another \*two word phrase, that also took me out of the flow for a moment, as in, “wait, he’s not saying it ironically”?) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/76 "2020-04-11T01:23:23Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/77 "2020-04-11T04:39:32Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > If you want to make an assertion about this, then it’s your job to back it up with evidence that stands against scrutiny. Nobody is going to make the argument for you. > > This is what we call an appeal to hypocrisy. It’s not a formal fallacy, in that it’s a reasoning error rather than flawed deductive argument. So based on the statistical evidence and Enright else you know, do you think there is discrimination against Asian college applicants at computing colleges? You keep avoiding that question? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/78 "2020-04-11T04:42:36Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Not really. Not that I am saying you incurred in this either, but it has been seen in these boards more as a strategy to disarm the other side by accusing them of being hypocrites. I am asking him to apply the same standards he would use to identify discrimination against other groups to identify discrimination against asians. > [@](#): > > And may I say, from my own side, I have often myself questioned people and organizations who get hung up on being Wokey McWokeface 24/7 about Every Damn Thing. > > But the particular phrase you used, yes, it was unfortunate; came across grating and distracting. Not the least because coming from another minority community there are those among us that are themselves just as guilty of that, and sometimes more annoyingly as they then will impugn our group membership if we don’t get with the program. (And FWIW, you used earlier \*another \*two word phrase, that also took me out of the flow for a moment, as in, “wait, he’s not saying it ironically”?) Which two words phrase? I m more annoyed when white people impugn our group membership than when other minorities do it. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/79 "2020-04-11T16:13:44Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So based on the statistical evidence and Enright else you know, do you think there is discrimination against Asian college applicants at computing colleges? > > You keep avoiding that question? As I taught to the freshmen who didn’t pick this up in high school, a perfectly acceptable result of a study, if not a terribly sexy one, is, to quote our friend Espenshade, “we don’t have sufficient empirical evidence to support that claim.” This does not obligate making a different claim. It also does not mean that the original hypothesis isn’t correct. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257/80 "2020-04-12T05:08:34Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > As I taught to the freshmen who didn’t pick this up in high school, a perfectly acceptable result of a study, if not a terribly sexy one, is, to quote our friend Espenshade, “we don’t have sufficient empirical evidence to support that claim.” This does not obligate making a different claim. It also does not mean that the original hypothesis isn’t correct. Here is the full quote in cotext: > [@](#): > > In an interview Friday, Espenshade said his research found that, controlling other factors, Asian-American applicants seemed to face a disadvantage in college admissions. Still, Espenshade said researchers lack access to other application materials, including essays and letters of recommendation, making it difficult to draw further conclusions. > > “I stop short of saying that Asian-American students are being discriminated against in the college application process because we don’t have sufficient empirical evidence to support that claim,” Espenshade said. So yes, statistics frequently cannot prove things in much the same way that statistics cannot prove that smoking causes cancer. So let me ask you for the third time. Do you think that competitive colleges discriminate against asians or not? Would you require any more evidence than what we already have before you believed that discrimination existed against any other race? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nyc-mayor-is-basically-a-democratic-version-of-trump/851257.md?page=5)