# NYS is F\*\*\*ed. Also Sun Rises in East. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 17, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979 "2008-09-17T13:58:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/41 "2008-09-19T15:46:08Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > There’s a difference between “some time to come” and “forever.” There was a time when Carthage was an important city, no? Oh that’s true, but also remember that some cities have been around for going on four thousand years. Sometimes less important, sometimes more, but always there, and always centers of civilization and trade. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/42 "2008-09-19T16:36:46Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > There’s a difference between “some time to come” and “forever.” There was a time when Carthage was an important city, no? Even after several brutal wars and the crushing of its independent history, Carthage was still an important city in the ancient world. Rome is not as old as Carthage, has been sacked several times, and is still a very important city. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/43 "2008-09-19T17:06:01Z")
**Sun Rises in East** … and in other news, Cheney is a big fucking liar. :p:D ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/44 "2008-09-19T17:11:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > **Sun Rises in East** … and in other news, Cheney is a big fucking liar. :p:D And radiation exposure prevents Alzheimer’s Disease. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/45 "2008-09-19T18:12:25Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Oh that’s true, but also remember that some cities have been around for going on four thousand years. Sometimes less important, sometimes more, but always there, and always centers of civilization and trade. Sure. And one can expect that NYC will decline some day. Will it be like Buffalo or Detroit? I don’t know, but I would imagine that during Detroit’s heyday, it was difficult to enivsion a decline. > [@](#): > > Even after several brutal wars and the crushing of its independent history, Carthage was still an important city in the ancient world. And eventually Carthage declined. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/46 "2008-09-19T19:51:44Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > (bolding mine) > > Maybe not #1, but I don’t see any intrinsic reason New York can’t be one of the prime financial capitals of the world for some time to come. I mean, how long has London been in that category? 400 years and going strong, or so? While I might be partisan, it would seem that London remains more flexible and time zone wise the Asian centres provide more trading balance from a human perspective (I mean for actual living persons trading). An intrinsic reason to see the GMT +/- 5 hour cap mkts business shift to London or EU mkts is less imperial legal regime (current US tendency to trying to ad ho externalise political lawsuits) and better Asia the West mkt timing. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/47 "2008-09-19T19:54:50Z")
Nova Yorkium Delindo Est! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/48 "2008-09-19T20:17:31Z")
Yeah, well, the Cato Institute has always had a grudge against Eastern liberal elites. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2008, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/49 "2008-09-20T23:46:42Z")
Wait, what? People were unaware of the coming fiscal crisis? Norwegian papers have run stories on it since _June_ and it’s been damned hard to find a sober financial analyst since _July_. (And I think my bank started hiring on-call psychiatrists and buying up large supplies of prozac back in August.) ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2008, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979/50 "2008-09-21T00:05:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > yeah, well, the cato institute has always had a grudge against eastern liberal elites. :d [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nys-is-f-ed-also-sun-rises-in-east/463979.md?page=2)