# Oathkeepers.org for US military/police/etc **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 30, 2009, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707 "2009-10-30T09:00:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/101 "2009-11-02T00:20:01Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > wouldn’t a call to a return to the “Good Ol’ Days” of the Constitutional Republic (a meme I’ve seen thrown about the last few monthson FB) mean a return to second class citizenship for non-white citizens? Wasn’t that part of the deal? Well one of their supporters (JPFO) has made a video promoting guns for blacks (see my previous post) > [@](#): > > Also, how come nobody seems to be addressing the question of where these guys were when Bush was doing the exact same things they question? i’m confused… > **[Oath Keepers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers)** > > Oath Keepers is an American far-right anti-government militia whose leaders have been convicted of violently opposing the US government, including the transfer of presidential power as prescribed by the United States Constitution. It was incorporated in 2009 by founder Stewart Rhodes, a lawyer and former paratrooper. In 2023, Rhodes was sentenced to 18 years for seditious conspiracy in the January 6 United States Capitol attack, and another leader, Kelly Meggs, was sentenced to 12 years Rese... It was founded in March 2009… it sounds like you see the need for these guys… ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/102 "2009-11-02T00:47:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I rather suspect the “Patriot” movement is somewhat conflicted about Jews. Some are antisemites, and also consistent isolationist paleocons who don’t want the U.S. supporting Israel, nor any other foreign country; others believe in the “War on Terror” and foursquare support for Israel as part of that; and some are probably Christian Zionists. And some of them just support Israel because they _respect_ a country that can beat back seven different Arab nations, all outnumbering them by an enormous factor, in just six days; they admire a country with the best air force and some of the best special forces in the world; they admire a people that managed to rise out of the ashes of the Holocaust and literally make a desert bloom. There doesn’t need to be some ulterior motive for liking Israel. Liking “the Jews” is not really the same as liking Israel; I suspect most of these people dislike most American Jews because most American Jews are left-leaning. But I don’t think they dislike them because they’re Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/103 "2009-11-02T13:15:07Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > [Oath Keepers - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers) > It was founded in March 2009… it sounds like you see the need for these guys… Not even a little bit. Still waiting to hear back from my friends in Law Enforcement and my military brother on if they’ve even heard of this bunch of knuckle dragging idiots. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/104 "2009-11-02T21:43:58Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > Also, how come nobody seems to be addressing the question of where these guys were when Bush was doing the exact same things they question? i’m confused… Why are you asking that question if you don’t think they should have been around? BTW I thought the 20 minute video called “No Guns For Negroes” which is a pro-black gun rights video by the JPFO was quite intelligent rather than being the product of “idiots”. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/105 "2009-11-02T21:58:35Z")
Why are you promoting them if you live in Australia? ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/106 "2009-11-02T22:29:27Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Why are you asking that question if you don’t think they should have been around? BTW I thought the 20 minute video called “No Guns For Negroes” which is a pro-black gun rights video by the JPFO was quite intelligent rather than being the product of “idiots”. You are hanging an awful lot on one video. Care to address their assertion that they will refuse to follow the law and their direct orders in the event of an insurrectionist attempt to violate federal law and “secede” from the US? Because that fight has been done and lost. And any state attempting to secede would be in violation of Federal Law. And I ask the question not because I think they SHOULD have been around. I’m asking it more rhetorically because it’s funny that they suddenly show up right after Obama wins the presidency, before he has had any chance to make ANY changes. It stinks of something… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/107 "2009-11-02T23:09:12Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > It stinks of something… Well, it stinks of crazy, but not necessarily of racism. The militia movement has a ways to go before it catches up with its Clinton-era self. Of course, considering the Oklahoma City bombing, and the way the feds managed to screw up the Ruby Creek and Waco standoffs, let’s hope it doesn’t catch up. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/108 "2009-11-02T23:33:13Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Fuck no it isn’t. I see absolutely no evidence of racism on the Oathkeepers website. I do, though, see a Master Sergeant named Gomez on their Board of Directors. Now, unless he’s a blue-eyed, blond descendant of Northern Spanish nobility who is against all of the bean-eating brown people in the Southwestern U.S., I don’t think that a racist organization would have a Gomez on their Board of Directors. [Perhaps](http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/10/22/pat-buchanan-traditional-americans-are-losing-their-nation/) you should look harder. > [@](#): > > Pat Buchanan would have been a far better president than Dubya ever was…Buchanan would have told the Zionist scum that now infests our government to go f#&k themselves! > [@](#): > > But take heart…the Jewish ADL just won it’s battle! From now on I’ll be unable to say “Hey, I think we have a problem with this group of Jews over here!”, and THAT is the real purpose of the Hate Bill…to protect the Jews behind the NWO! Won’t that be nice for all you brainwashed fair-weather patriots? > > Now, what we have here in this country is a “perfect storm” of antagonistic social movements which will ultimately end in Civil War 2.5…this has been deliberately engineered by the people behind the NWO. Why? Because white American males (mostly) are the most heavily armed paramilitary force on earth! This prevents the Jewish-lead NWO from doing what they want to do…create a communist world government. You obviously didn’t know that communism was invented by Jews…that’s why you made stupid statements that you did! > [@](#): > > Anywho, don’t forget what Pat Buchanan said of Washington, D.C.:”…it’s Israeli occupied territory!” > [@](#): > > The alarm has been raised and the word is spreading like wildfire now; all across the globe people – even the leaders of other nations – are waking up and realizing the existential threat posed by the Jews. > [@](#): > > In my view, Civil War is now unavoidable, we let the Jews mislead us with THEIR policies of diversity and multiculturalism. We now know, from the monumental work of Prof. Robert Putnam, that diversity is a cultural poison that not only destroys our ability to love and care about each other, but also prevents us from uniting! That’s why the Jews pushed it upon us through their liberal movement – to destroy our ability to unite against the New World Order and the communist police state they seek to impose upon us. Here’s an article on Prof. Putnam’s work… > [http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2007/08/04/the\_downside\_of\_diversity/](http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2007/08/04/the_downside_of_diversity/) > [@](#): > > I’d vote for Pat Buchanan before I’d vote for Peter Schiff…Heck, Ronny, I’d vote for you before I’d vote for a Rothschild-Schiff! As for contributing to his campaign, LMAO!! Isn’t that just like a multimillionaire Jew…get someone else to foot the bill!! > [@](#): > > The one thing that Pat is not talking about is the reason Obama is trying to bankrupt ths USA. Three words “NEW WORLD ORDER.” This is the reason that Oath Keepers is so important to our Nation. We are probably the only organization that will be able to link military, law enforcement, and emergency responders. The Obama Adninistration will need these organizations when they declare MARSHAL LAW. If you have’nt already, you need to visit [twitter.com](http://twitter.com) and look up “DesireePaquette”(leave out the quotes). This lady has done a FABULOUS job documenting the New World order. If you are not familiar with New World Order then this will be a real eye opener to you. Please look this up, it is very important that you know about this. It is closer to reality than you think. We must stop the Obama Administrtion from BANKRUPTING OUR CONTRY!!! > [@](#): > > Just finished reading “Civil War II”, now reading “The Turner Diaries” both very relevent to the social, civil and national situation existing in the U.S. at this time. I am in OIF/OEF and have been for 6 years, and each time I come home, I do not recognize my own country And the most damning one of all: > [@](#): > > God Help Us…Listen I agree with #30 STAY FOCUSED !! I think those with an ounce of brain know what’s going here..remember those that want to divide us and smear us will use anything they find here and blow it out of proportion.. **The most powerful weapon they use is ” RACE ” so stay away from that subject at all cost…Wanna educate your brother do it in a PM.** (my bolding) Those are all taken from the comments attached to _one_ article. I presume you know what the New World Order is supposed to be. _[The Turner Diaries](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries)_, in case you didn’t know, are a blueprint for a race war in which all nonwhites and Jews are exterminated, presented in the form of a novel. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/109 "2009-11-02T23:39:41Z")
So, _now_ can we quit with the “u libs just call anyone who disagree with you a racist!!111!1” stuff? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/110 "2009-11-02T23:46:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I presume you know what the New World Order is supposed to be. Actually, I’ve never been clear on that. Hitler called for a “New Order,” but his vision along those lines died with him. The phrase “New World Order” first entered modern mass consciousness, it seems, when Bush Sr. spoke of it in the wake of the Soviet Union’s collapse; clearly he meant the same thing Francis Fukuyama did by “The End of History,” i.e., the ultimate and final prevalence of Western capitalism/democracy as the dominant model for all the world, combined with beneficent economic globalization. (Those were some optimistic days . . .) But despite those origins, RW conspiracy theorists seem to equate the “NWO” with what John Birchers in the '50s and '60s meant by “Communism” and “One-Worldism.” It’s rather confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/111 "2009-11-02T23:50:42Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Actually, I’ve never been clear on that. Hitler called for a “New Order,” but his vision along those lines died with him. The phrase “New World Order” first entered modern mass consciousness, it seems, when Bush Sr. spoke of it in the wake of the Soviet Union’s collapse; clearly he meant the same thing Francis Fukuyama did by “The End of History,” i.e., the ultimate and final prevalence of Western capitalism/democracy as the dominant model for all the world, combined with beneficent economic globalization. (Those were some optimistic days . . .) But despite those origins, RW conspiracy theorists seem to equate the “NWO” with what John Birchers in the '50s and '60s meant by “Communism” and “One-Worldism.” It’s rather confusing. Nowadays it’s crazy right-winger code for Jewish one-world government. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/112 "2009-11-02T23:54:35Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Nowadays it’s crazy right-winger code for Jewish one-world government. Hm. At least the Birchers were always divided about antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/113 "2009-11-03T01:00:15Z")
Well, it’s also crazy right-winger code for Masonic one-world government, and sometimes they think it’s the Bilderberg Group or the Trilateral Commission, but usually they think the Jews are behind it somehow. If you haven’t read _Them_ by Jon Ronson you should - he’s the same guy who wrote The Men Who Stare At Goats, which the upcoming movie is based on. Basically, he interviews all sorts of crazy right-wing types- militiamen, the Aryan Nations, Alex Jones - and some crazy Islamic fundamentalist types (immediately prior to 9/11) and discovers that they basically all believe that the Jews are trying to create a one-world government presided over by a shadowy cabal. He also interviews Ian Paisley, a Northern Irish loyalist minister and paramilitary leader, who thinks the Pope is behind it. Oh, and David Icke, who thinks shapeshifting alien lizards from another dimension are behind it. Brilliant, brilliant book. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/114 "2009-11-03T01:19:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > …(my bolding) Those are all taken from the comments attached to _one_ article. And above the comments it says: > [@](#): > > Comments posted belong to the commenter alone, and are not endorsed by Oath Keepers or the administrators for this site. Due to time constraints, we dont moderate or pre-approve comments and cannot read each and every comment, but we will remove offensive, racist, or threatening comments when we become aware of them. If any are clearly racist then if they are made aware of them they should remove them. Those comments have been there for less than 2 weeks though. But anyway I’ll bring your post to the attention of the site… (to the webmaster) > [@](#): > > I presume you know what the New World Order is supposed to be. _[The Turner Diaries](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turner_Diaries)_, in case you didn’t know, are a blueprint for a race war in which all nonwhites and Jews are exterminated, presented in the form of a novel. Kind of related to that are “ethnic bioweapons”: > **[Ethnic bioweapon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_bioweapon)** > > An ethnic bioweapon (or a biogenetic weapon) is a hypothetical type of bioweapon which could preferentially target people of specific ethnicities or people with specific genotypes. > One of the first modern fictional discussions of ethnic weapons is in Robert A. Heinlein's 1942 novel Sixth Column (republished as The Day After Tomorrow), in which a race-specific radiation weapon is used against a so-called "Pan-Asian" invader.\[citation needed\] > In 1997, U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen refer... But anyway see my earlier quotes where it says the organisation only hates tyranny and “We are Not advocating or promoting any act or acts of aggression against any organization or person for any reason including, but not limited to; race, religion, national origin, political affiliation, gender or sexual orientation.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/115 "2009-11-03T01:34:18Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, it’s also crazy right-winger code for Masonic one-world government, and sometimes they think it’s the Bilderberg Group or the Trilateral Commission, but usually they think the Jews are behind it somehow. > > …Alex Jones…and discovers that they basically all believe that the Jews are trying to create a one-world government presided over by a shadowy cabal… I did a google search for: alex jones zionist “…if the Zionist controlled alternative media (Alex Jones + others) weren’t in place.” “THE SIMMERING CONTROVERSY OF ALEX ‘BULLHORN’ JONES being a Zionist shill and de facto Zionist agent and spin meister” > **[The French Connection /audio/Alex.Jones/](https://www.iamthewitness.com/alex-jones-summary.html)** > > · Archive · Documents · Books · Videos · \[…\] “There is only one explanation for Alex Jones and his Zionist Denial: he is a Zionist, and his organization in Austin, Texas is a Zionist terrorist cell.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/116 "2009-11-03T01:35:42Z")
BTW, I’m kind of pro-Alex Jones, particularly his new stuff. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Why are you promoting them if you live in Australia? Well I want to visit the U.S. one day and don’t want to be on the no-fly list or something that the organisation covers. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/117 "2009-11-03T01:43:22Z")
**JohnClay** is correct. Those comments are just comments. Anti-Semites will always bull their way onto the comments section of any news article and try to hijack it by making it all about Da Jooz. But that doesn’t mean those comments are endorsed by the website providing the content. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/118 "2009-11-03T01:49:39Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, it’s also crazy right-winger code for Masonic one-world government, and sometimes they think it’s the Bilderberg Group or the Trilateral Commission, but usually they think the Jews are behind it somehow. > > If you haven’t read _Them_ by Jon Ronson you should - he’s the same guy who wrote The Men Who Stare At Goats, which the upcoming movie is based on. Basically, he interviews all sorts of crazy right-wing types- militiamen, the Aryan Nations, Alex Jones - and some crazy Islamic fundamentalist types (immediately prior to 9/11) and discovers that they basically all believe that the Jews are trying to create a one-world government presided over by a shadowy cabal. > > He also interviews Ian Paisley, a Northern Irish loyalist minister and paramilitary leader, who thinks the Pope is behind it. Oh, and David Icke, who thinks shapeshifting alien lizards from another dimension are behind it. > > Brilliant, brilliant book. Of course, Jack Chick has proven that all of them (including the Pope) are merely puppets of the Jesuit General. Who, I suppose, reports directly to Satan. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/119 "2009-11-03T02:02:10Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Well I want to visit the U.S. one day and don’t want to be on the no-fly list or something that the organisation covers. I don’t like the no-fly lists, but they’re not unconstitutional. Besides, refusing to enforce the no-fly lists is not on the Oath Keepers’ list of oaths. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707/120 "2009-11-03T02:13:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I don’t like the no-fly lists, but they’re not unconstitutional. Besides, refusing to enforce the no-fly lists is not on the Oath Keepers’ list of oaths. yeah… I said “ **or** something that the organisation covers”… but anyway, I want to promote civil liberties in general in the U.S. and the oathkeepers ties into that a bit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oathkeepers-org-for-us-military-police-etc/515707.md?page=7)