I am of the opinion that left does it and right does it. Obama spied on Trump. Trump will spy on whoever campaigns against him. Most of the outrage is purely partisan. As you can see from the pooh-poohing in the first few responses in this thread.
how is it theintelligence agency act that was passed and instituted by a ccongress dominated by the party opposed to Obama and before the existence of the Obama administration is then the ‘spying’ of that administration…?
It is a very weird and … unfactual type of analysis, followed by a very odd ‘both do it’ after you made the partisan bizarro accusation…
Thank God Loser Donald is in charge now we don’t have to worry about being spied on, anymore.
If you read the articles, you’d know that Obama administration relaxed the rules that lead to expansion of such spying activities.
This part, as you may remember, I don’t agree with. Can you please answer my other questions?
Here they are:
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Is it your opinion that the Dark Lord, or whoever Trump’s nominated guy is nicknamed, would do any different? Is it your opinion that this is a left vs. right issue, or is it a authoritarian vs. libertarian issues?
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Cite?
I read the reputable analysis of the lawfare blog and I see no such statement.
Where do you get this from?
You seem to be showing your cards here. Setting aside Trump’s nonsense claim that Obama wiretapped him, if Bush started the surveillance program, Obama continued it, and Trump will also likely continue it or something like it in some form or another, why title the thread “Obama administration did X”? It surely couldn’t be because you have a partisan axe to grind, could it?
Well it is transparently a clumsy, incompetent demarcheplaying a partisan political gotchya ya…
that is obvious to any reader.
since this same OP was unable to grasp the concept of the limtied liability when he was trying to argue for the great brilliance of Trump in business, it is not a great surprise this demarche
Then, suddenly, silence.
Shit, they got Ramira. Time to bring in somebody from the farm team…
This is exactly the break the Romney campaign has been waiting for!
This story was originally broke by the New York Times here.
They went into a bit more detail here.
Then Fox News came and said the liberal media were ignoring the story (never mind that they broke the story), but then they apologized and gave credit where credit was due. You can read more about that here.
Regarding the story itself, I don’t think the Obama administration was all that great and I further believe that the NSA has been violating the rights of Americans since before 9/11. The patriot act is an abomination, and I really wish Congress would stop ignoring their responsibilities in performing oversight on the executive. I wished this when Bush was president, during Obama’s presidencies, and I wish it now more that ever. If you think this type of illegal action by the Obama executive branch was bad, you must be horrified by the corruption of the current administration, right?
From all sources. Here it is from your lawfare blog:
“On September 26, 2016, the government proposed that, “for the first time,” the NCTC be allowed to access certain “unminimized information acquired by NSA and FBI.” The court approved this access, noting that the information NCTC will receive is “subject to the same limitations as the CIA (no upstream Internet collection and no telephony).” Historically, NCTC’s access had been limited to minimized Section 702 information residing in FBI’s “general indices and relating to certain categories of investigations concerning international terrorism.”
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and Trump administration is closing these open doors:
"By March 30, 2017, the government had submitted revised targeting and minimization procedures for the NSA and FBI, and minimization procedures for the CIA and the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). Notably, these procedures would significantly limit certain kinds of NSA upstream surveillance. According to Homeland Security Adviser Thomas Bossert, Trump’s newly-appointed national security team decided to “bless” the NSA proposals—which had been the most controversial—reasoning that it was necessary to “[strike] a balance to protect the country without getting into Americans’ privacy.”
When in doubt, blame Obama.
The criminals are going to love that.
Honest people are still not going to worry about it because they are not looking for us.
Just replying to say some people appreciate these types of concise and useful posts.
Groups like the ACLU tried to reign in these abuses of power by the executive branch irrelevant of which party was in power.
Here is a better link on the subject.
If we didn’t want the NSA to spy on us, then we shouldn’t have told them to spy on us. But we (through our elected officials) did. Why, then, are we surprised when they do what we told them to do?
You know, just about everything the Right throws at the Left can be refuted, unlike charges flying the other way…but it gets so tiresome righting wrongs that you get worn down and begin to let some of the crap stick to the stall wall. Wear us down, they will always try to do, but there are still millions of actual thinking people who won’t be bullied, cowed, or lied to without sending zingers back. And, our zingers are true, most of the time.
Good luck with that!!
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Okrahoma, this will be my last request that you answer my questions. Thanks in advance:
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Is it your opinion that the Dark Lord, or whoever Trump’s nominated guy is nicknamed, would do any different? Is it your opinion that this is a left vs. right issue, or is it a authoritarian vs. libertarian issue?
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Since the ACLU goes after whatever administration is abusing these powers, do you think they become a leftist organization when a Republican is the president and instantly transform to a rightist organization when a Democrat is the president?