# Obama admits regulations bad for business **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322 "2011-08-27T21:53:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/1 "2011-08-27T21:53:23Z")
[Scrapping Regulations Will Save Businesses $10 Billion](http://www.cnbc.com/id/44243530) It seems the Democratic Party is taking a page from the Libertarian Party. _“Administration officials said the plans unveiled Tuesday include 500 regulatory reforms, including more than 100 from the Department of Transportation and more than 70 from the Department of Health and Human Services. Once the reforms are fully implemented, the administration estimates businesses will save about $10 billion over five years.”_ But, without regulations we all get poisoned and die! Or turn into Somalia! Hasn’t Obama seen Mad Max? \*"Obama called for federal agencies to scrutinize their existing regulations \*\*after \*\*his party suffered sweeping losses in the 2010 elections. The president acknowledged at the time that his relationship with the business community had soured, and he \*\*vowed to scrap “dumb” rules \*_that were hindering private sector growth."_ So were these rules “dumb” before the election? Did he know they were dumb? If they were dumb, why didn’t he get rid of them before? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/2 "2011-08-27T22:00:52Z")
You can really be an idiot sometimes. From your cite. > [@](#): > > Sunstein said the reforms would not impact regulations needed to protect consumers and the environment, including rules used by the Federal Aviation Administration to ensure safe air travel and by the Department of Agriculture and Food and Drug Administration to protect food safety. I don’t think there is a person alive (conservative, liberal or otherwise) who doesn’t think some regulations can be scraped. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/3 "2011-08-27T22:13:28Z")
> **[Mountaintop-removal mining is devastating Appalachia, but residents are...](https://grist.org/article/reece/)** > > This article was originally published in Orion Magazine. Not since the glaciers pushed toward these ridgelines a million years ago have the Appalachian Mountains been as threatened as they are today. But the coal-extraction process decimating this... It is in some cases true that business can reap enormous profits if they are allowed to despoil without repairing their damage. They are blowing up mountains and fouling rivers. It must be sweet not to have to clean up after yourself. The gulf oil rig is leaking again. Exxon would be happy if they could ignore it. They will be allowed to in the name of business. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/4 "2011-08-27T22:14:00Z")
Does any sane person believe that regulations should not be regularly reexamined, revised and updated, with obsolete, ones that have proven ineffective, and ones that have turned out, against expectations, to do more harm than good, being scrapped, and (if appropriate and necessary) replaced by updated ones? No Democrat or liberal believes no regulations should ever be scrapped. The irrational position,on this topic, is the kneejerk response so often found on the right, that regards all regulations as automatically evil. Obama’s position is both rational and intellectually consistent. Yours is mindless, irrational and idiotic. > [@](#): > > So were these rules “dumb” before the election? Did he know they were dumb? If they were dumb, why didn’t he get rid of them before? 1. Probably (but maybe not, because situations change). 2. Very possibly not in specifics. 3. He _has_ been kept quite busy recently, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/5 "2011-08-27T22:28:07Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The gulf oil rig is leaking again. Exxon would be happy if they could ignore it. Out of idle curiousity, what releaking gulf oil rig would Exxon like to ignore? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/6 "2011-08-27T23:31:11Z")
Would you like a moderator to change the title to “Obama admits dumb regulations bad for business” for you? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/7 "2011-08-27T23:31:55Z")
And you wonder why I’m always using the word strawman in your presence, **emac**. You are _constantly_ arguing against a position nobody except a small lunatic fringe takes. And the more you argue it, the more annoying and disconnected you get. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/8 "2011-08-27T23:39:25Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Out of idle curiousity, what releaking gulf oil rig would Exxon like to ignore? All of it including potential cleanup and liability. They are almost wiggling free of the costs now. The Rig is the same one that blew up. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/9 "2011-08-27T23:45:35Z")
See that button at the bottom that says “submit new thread”? Before hitting that, you should read what you’ve written in order to see if it makes any sense whatsoever. Otherwise, people will think you’re a fucking dimwit. Oops, too late. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/10 "2011-08-27T23:54:22Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > All of it including potential cleanup and liability. They are almost wiggling free of the costs now. > The Rig is the same one that blew up. Since English isn’t your first language, let me help you-- he’s asking you which Exxon rig is “releaking”. Are you thinking of the BP rig? BP is not Exxon. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/11 "2011-08-27T23:54:29Z")
[http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event\_desc&edis\_id=ED-20110825-32088-USA](http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=ED-20110825-32088-USA) The Deepwater Horizon rig leak has been confirmed. The one off Aberdeen in Scotland also is. So I understand the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/12 "2011-08-27T23:57:48Z")
I think the confusion there, gonzo is that you are using the word ‘Exxon’ to mean ‘BP’ or ‘British Petroleum’. I understand how you can get those two mixed up since they have at least 3 letters in common…well, if you spell out the whole thing… (Sorry, the rig leaking off the coast of Scotland IS a ‘Shell’ rig, but ‘Exxon’ is also associated with it…perhaps you are confusing multiple things here) -XT ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/13 "2011-08-28T00:02:07Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] Perhaps you should make it more clear to the rest of us? Cite? [/quote] You know, fuck this. Never mind, **gonzomax**. I’d rather do almost anything than continue to read your attempts to beat out ralph as the SDMB’s stupidest poster. I’m willing to call it a draw. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/14 "2011-08-28T00:14:08Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You know, fuck this. Never mind, **gonzomax**. I’d rather do almost anything than continue to read your attempts to beat out ralph as the SDMB’s stupidest poster. I’m willing to call it a draw. I thought everyone had done this some years ago. I think **gonzomax** is the poster who most frequently says unimaginably stupid things and most people say little to nothing in response. I think because most of us fought the good fight against his mindless comments quite often at one point before there was a collective realization you can’t actually communicate with him at all. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/15 "2011-08-28T00:14:51Z")
FWIW, [here](http://commotiopopuli.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/and-here-we-go-again-shellexxon-rig-in-north-sea-leaking-oil/) is probably what he’s talking about wrt the well off the coast of Scotland. It’s not a large leak, though 54,600 (I love the precision here :p) probably SOUNDS like a lot to The Gonz. -XT ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/16 "2011-08-28T00:15:43Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You know, fuck this. Never mind, **gonzomax**. I’d rather do almost anything than continue to read your attempts to beat out ralph as the SDMB’s stupidest poster. I’m willing to call it a draw. As long as **emac** is still here, it’s anybody’s game. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/17 "2011-08-28T00:47:14Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > As long as **emac** is still here, it’s anybody’s game. We could only wish to have just two regular posters competing for that title. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/18 "2011-08-28T00:56:36Z")
[http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fresh-oil-slicks-forming-over-deepwater-horizon-spill-site/](http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fresh-oil-slicks-forming-over-deepwater-horizon-spill-site/) Well, Exxon /BP is responsible for the Aberdene leaks, while BP gets all the credit for the Horizon blow up. Yes, i was following both stories at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/19 "2011-08-28T01:01:16Z")
Seriously, gonzo…did you actually read the ‘article’ (consisting of 3 small paragraphs and a sentence)? I ask because, well, it doesn’t seem to back up anything you are talking about, and I’m curious if perhaps you meant to link to something else there, or if you are channeling information from some other source. Perhaps through your ass so as to allow a freer flow of info to what passes for your brain? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322/20 "2011-08-28T01:15:26Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Well, Exxon /BP is responsible for the Aberdene leaks, … I’m mildly bewildered as to how you read Shell as BP. I mean, I’ve been high before, and, heavens willing, I’ll be high again, but reading Shell as BP is stretching it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-admits-regulations-bad-for-business/594322.md?page=2)