# Obama and Divisiveness **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 8, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286 "2016-03-08T15:38:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/201 "2016-05-17T20:45:15Z")
Republicans had excuses for denying the legitimacy of Bill Clinton’s presidency (“He never had a majority! Perot was a spoiler!”) as well as Obama’s (“Muslim! Kenyan anti-colonialist!”). I don’t think they know how to regard the opposing party any other way anymore. They’ll say that since any Republican other than Trump would have (supposedly) beaten her, that she doesn’t really have a mandate to be president, or that she’s so corrupt that merely occupying the Oval Office is tantamount to an impeachable offense. Point is, they’ll find something. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/202 "2016-05-17T22:24:48Z")
We’ve been repeatedly treated, in this forum, by its most notable GOP loyalist, to the claim that her only qualification is having been married to Bubba. And she’ll be indicted any day now, for something. We’ve also been treated, in this forum, by a notable Bro, to the assertion that she’s a corporate whore, and that those who voted for her are all deluded. If they have to make up stuff about you, you’re doing all right. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/203 "2016-05-17T22:35:09Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > Republicans had excuses for denying the legitimacy of Bill Clinton’s presidency (“He never had a majority! Perot was a spoiler!”) as well as Obama’s (“Muslim! Kenyan anti-colonialist!”). I don’t think they know how to regard the opposing party any other way anymore. They’ll say that since any Republican other than Trump would have (supposedly) beaten her, that she doesn’t really have a mandate to be president, or that she’s so corrupt that merely occupying the Oval Office is tantamount to an impeachable offense. Point is, they’ll find something. She’ll be guilty of GWF Governing While Female. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/204 "2016-05-17T22:39:41Z")
O > [@](#): > > originally Posted by \*\*DerekMichaels00 \*\* > How about when Obama and his guys said that Fort Hood was “workplace violence” instead of Islamic terror? (and yes, Obama’s DoD speaks for him) > [@running\_coach](#): > > You really need to read your links. > [@](#): > > Military law expert Scott L. Silliman says the answer is simple - because the Uniform Code of Military Justice does not have a punitive article for “terrorism.” I swear to God, I’m starting to think **DerekMichaels** is a left wing plant. He posts the most strange things, and them backs them up with a link that says the direct opposite of his point. It’s like he is TRYING to make the right-wing look bad. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/205 "2016-05-17T22:41:26Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I do wonder what they’re going to do when they no longer have Obama around to demonize. Nothing they say about Hillary has quite the same ring or resonance – Whitewater, Vince Foster, Benghazi, emailgate, it’s all so lame by comparison – they can’t say she’s foreign-born, they can’t say she’s a secret Muslim, and isn’t the Antichrist supposed to be a guy? We covered this. She’s the Whore of Babylon. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/206 "2016-05-17T22:47:31Z")
And a lesbian. Or so we’ve been told. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/207 "2016-05-17T23:42:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > O > > I swear to God, I’m starting to think **DerekMichaels** is a left wing plant. He posts the most strange things, and them backs them up with a link that says the direct opposite of his point. It’s like he is TRYING to make the right-wing look bad. I’m merely just a Democrat who is scared of the party leaving me by becoming too left-wing and forgetting the center. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/208 "2016-05-17T23:45:24Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I’m merely just a Democrat who is scared of the party leaving me by becoming too left-wing and forgetting the center. Riiiiight. A Democrat that hates Obama, hates Hillary, hates pretty much every other person in the party… You’re just not very good at this are you? ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/209 "2016-05-18T00:46:33Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I’m merely just a Democrat who is scared of the party leaving me by becoming too left-wing and forgetting the center. As I said before - you’re not fooling anyone. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/210 "2016-05-18T01:04:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Riiiiight. > > A Democrat that hates Obama, hates Hillary, hates pretty much every other person in the party… > > You’re just not very good at this are you? weird because most of my posts about Hillary and Bill are rather positive, in case you missed it. I’ve been the biggest Clinton fan on this site since I joined. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/211 "2016-05-18T01:08:44Z")
You just have some … _concerns_. We know. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/212 "2016-05-18T01:13:47Z")
(snicker) ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/213 "2016-05-18T01:33:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You just have some … _concerns_. We know. why is it almost a sin that a person can believe in protecting the environment, believe in abortion rights, believe in gay rights, believe in a progressive tax system, but dissent with Obama on his foreign policy and find Sanders objectionable? Why does that make me into automatically a Republican? This kind of illiberal intolerance is the kind of thing I’d expect of conservatives when someone criticizes Reagan. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Riiiiight. > > A Democrat that hates Obama, hates Hillary, hates pretty much every other person in the party… No response to the fact that I’ve been a defender and promoter of the Clintons since I joined? I’ve supported her the whole way or leaned towards her the whole time, and since Max Boot endorsed her, I think I can say firmly I’m With Her. I don’t even hate Obama; I simply think his worldview is off. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/214 "2016-05-18T01:41:54Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > weird because most of my posts about Hillary and Bill are rather positive, in case you missed it. I’ve been the biggest Clinton fan on this site since I joined. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/215 "2016-05-18T01:43:44Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Cite? > **[The Hypocrisy of a Joe Biden Presidential Bid](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=764243)** > > The idea that Biden should run is based on the idea he would be less vulnerable in a GE than Hillary over ethics, etc. Sure, the press is currently covering Hillary’s mishaps, but if Biden were the nominee, the GOP isn’t gonna spare him over honesty... > **[The Ross Perot Spoiler Myth](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=763148)** > > You know, every so often, particularly during election cycles, the talk about third party candidates come out. Donald Trump is the most recent example. Some people out there have posited that Ross Perot, in 1992, affected the outcome of the 1992... > **[The Email Saga Now Feels the Bern](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=774263)** > > He’s not that different than Trump: pretending to be a “new” kind of pol, using same old tired tactics He doesn’t know what he’s in for!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/216 "2016-05-18T01:49:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And a lesbian. Or so we’ve been told. A lesbian who was also having an affair with Vince Foster! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/217 "2016-05-18T12:07:05Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I don’t even hate Obama; I simply think his worldview is off. You’ve been shown again and again that your assertions about his worldview are based on fantasy, and not anything he actually said or did. The fact that you insisted on repeating his middle name again and again for no discernible reason suggests that your dislike of the man is about something fundamental to his identity – who he is, rather than anything he’s actually done. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/218 "2016-05-18T13:47:07Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I’m merely just a Democrat who is scared of the party leaving me by becoming too left-wing and forgetting the center. Too late, the Party has already left us. I was also a life-long Dem, but nobody here believes it because I’m not a flaming liberal that blindly believes and agrees with everything the left dreams up. Now they define society as a hierarchy of “victim” groups, all oppressed by us evil straight white males, extra evil if our ancestors came here from England before this was a Country. So, divisive? Of course! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/219 "2016-05-18T14:06:27Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Too late, the Party has already left us. > > I was also a life-long Dem, but nobody here believes it because I’m not a flaming liberal that blindly believes and agrees with everything the left dreams up. Now they define society as a hierarchy of “victim” groups, all oppressed by us evil straight white males, extra evil if our ancestors came here from England before this was a Country. > > So, divisive? Of course! Perhaps this accurately describes the fantasy Democratic party that exists in the heads of radio talk show hosts, but it certainly doesn’t describe any major political party that exists in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286/220 "2016-05-18T14:07:26Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Too late, the Party has already left us. > > I was also a life-long Dem, but nobody here believes it because I’m not a flaming liberal that blindly believes and agrees with everything the left dreams up. Now they define society as a hierarchy of “victim” groups, all oppressed by us evil straight white males, extra evil if our ancestors came here from England before this was a Country. > > So, divisive? Of course! What, exactly, has President Obama said or done that you find “divisive”? (Aside from not being totally white, that is.) What other _official_ Democratic policies offend you? Not just phrases you picked up at Fox–let’s have some cites! (My ancestors were blazingly white–but most of them came from The Other Island. Even the few here before the Revolution, who came from the Northern section of that island.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-and-divisiveness/748286.md?page=12)