Barred, no. Discouraged, yes - ever hear of ID laws? Jim Crow today has other aspects, as well.
Hoo boy.
don’t play games with me. No one here is talking about the Eastern Europe/South Asia sex trade. Slavery as it existed in the 17-19th century in America (and in Canada too BTW) is long gone. And even for the problems with the voter ID laws, fact is a lot LOT more of the blacks who want to vote get to ultimately vote. That wasn’t the case 60 years ago.
See, this is my problem with some progressives; you guys have to make up rationales for fights when the actual fight is pretty close to over, if not already over.
You still haven’t addressed why black crime is still much higher than Hispanic, Indian, East Asian, etc. crime and school completion so much lower.
Another reminder of how the Republicans missed a tremendous opportunity in 2008. They could have easily peeled off many voters who are liberal but anti-black, and severely uncomfortable with black Americans as part of their Democrat coalition.
Talk about leaving money on the table.
I’m not anti-black; I like having black voters in my party. I am sympathetic to the blacks’ plight, but I cannot just sit there and be uncritical.
I honestly wonder if it would help the left to distinguish between ‘racism of hate’ and ‘racism of ignorance’. For example, I don’t think DM00 hates black people, and I can understand how those with similar views bristle at the accusation. But the last post makes it clear to me that his racism (that blacks are somehow genetically disposed for more behavior problems than whites) is based on ignorance rather than hate.
Not that I think they would feel any better about the word ‘ignorance’, but there’s gotta be another way to put it.
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I NEVER said blacks were genetically more predisposed than whites to do anything. I’m not James Watson. I’m not David Duke.
I do think tho that the predominant culture in their community is a problem, and cultural leaders, like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, are not helping.
What “predominant culture”? You mean like their odd preference for grape-flavored soda pop, or Beyonce? Rap music or boisterous, emotional church services? Snoop Dogg or Prince? Obama or Clarence Thomas? Have you some demonstrable expertise in the “predominant culture” that compels us to pay attention to you?
Neither have you. What’s your theory?
That Sharpton and Jackson are assholes. And that there are no other black leaders for “their community” to look up to. Hasn’t he made that clear? Just like he’s made clear his support for the Democrats?
More like the lack of nuclear family issue, what Moynihan said years ago and is still true. More like what made Trayvon put pics of himself with fake guns on his Instagram.
When I Google “uber race-progressives” I get hits related to Uber Technologies Inc. (a taxicab network), and hits to books about white supremacy and eugenics. What am I doing wrong?
there it is! Anyone who has ANY take on race relations that isn’t from the left is a racist! It was once said “Every man a king.” Now it could almost be “every man a racist/(something)ist!”
This is not about anyone being genetically inferior. Its about that there are things the black community needs to do, like stress and promote the nuclear family more. We can’t go back and undo slavery, Jim Crow, etc. There are no time machines.
I’m for affirmative action when there’s an apparent qualifications tie between a white and black applicant, but I’m not for the kind of affirmative action that would replace a qualified person with someone grossly unqualified.
No. It demonstrates the error of your position. You put forth the too frequently made claim that all these other groups have overcome initial poverty and oppression, (while ignoring the specifics of history that have accompanied each group as though all minorities have an identical history), with the intended implication that if blacks have failed to have the same success, it must either be a defect or a choice among blacks. The reality is that black people have always suffered from one disadvantage that other groups have not: once a second generation immigrant had mastered American vernacular, they could always pass as part of the white majority. So, for multiple generations, new immigrants were allowed, (actually, encouraged), to enter the mainstream in ways denied to black people. Following the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, many people, wishing to avoid accusations of racism, focused on supporting Asians, leading to the current odd situation where now, “Asians are white.” To your point, Hispanics are simply following in the tradition of their Irish and Italian predecessors: if they can talk like an American, they are white. Black people do not have that opportunity open to them.
Where, now? Was it in the same code Obama used to say Zimmerman was presumed guilty?
You are the King of reading stuff into things that aren’t there. This comes from you, not from the words you were reading – and it’s the exact same thing you do for Obama.
Try responding to posts by what they actually say, not what you read into them regarding progressives. And try the same thing for Obama – try to judge him by what he says and does, not by the sentiments that you get from wherever (right wing radio? hateful uncle?) bullshit source you get them.
Also the same code Obama used to give Caitlyn Jenner an award.
I gotta ask you, DerekMichaels00 – aren’t you ashamed of all the things you say that turn out to be false? Obama giving Jenner an award? Obama saying Zimmerman was presumed guilty?
You should be. And you should learn from your mistakes.
You do understand that this statement is incredibly racist, right? Yes, black people, as a group, need to “earn respect”. That makes all of the sense in the world. :rolleyes:
Redlining is still a thing, black men are disproportionately likely to be killed during encounters with the police, the application of the death penalty is astoundingly racist, et cetera et cetera et cetera.
But even leaving out all the ways that anti-black racism is a serious issue today, even if we were to naively assume that the end of Jim Crow and the civil rights act made all these problems go away, the fact is that America is abysmal when it comes to economic mobility, and that one of the most substantial effects of racist policies in housing, lending, and more - policies, by the way, that are ongoing to this day - was
Given your previous statements, I really couldn’t say how accurate your assessment of Sharpton or Jackson are, nor how well-motivated they are.
Can you give some examples of self-flagellation practices that are being exhibited by whites?
You can’t, obviously, redo the past. You can, however, base the policies on the present on the damage wrought by the policies of the past.
Every black person I know does work hard. On the topic of economic opportunity, though, how would you say black Americans rate on that scale relative to others, given issues like school quality, and mass incarceration for drug crimes (while using drugs at the same or lower rates than white people)?
Other minorities endured very different circumstances.
How would we “undo past racist policies”? By studying their effects, and applying new policies designed to mitigate those effects.
I’ll give you two examples:
Physical infrastructure like railroads and highways was used to segregate black communities, along with discriminatory lending and housing policies. In essence, black residents were cordoned off into poor neighborhoods with underfunded schools and little economic opportunity. This situation persists today. To reverse this problem requires understanding the cause, and working to undo the methods that were used to create the problem in the first place: changing how cities are planned, changing how school districts are formed and funded, and so forth.
Secondly, are you familiar with the concepts of [url=Culture of honor (Southern United States) - Wikipedia]cultures of honor vs cultures of law? The Southern US, due to being settled by Scots-Irish, was and is a culture of honor, and this was transmitted to black slaves. Transitioning from a culture of honor into a culture of law requires a legal system that people believe in enough to set aside traditional methods of settling disputes. Our legal system, on the other hand, is wildly antagonistic to black Americans, and has been for centuries. If you want poor black people, or poor Southern white people, to use the law instead of violence to settle disputes, you’ll first have to reform our legal system.