# Obama announces plan to dismantle social security, federal government & US Military **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 10, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232 "2010-11-10T22:11:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/61 "2010-11-11T22:34:11Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Ius Primae Noctae was a european christian thang … not a moslem thang. You communist liberals are so cute with the facts you choose to coddle from day-to-day! Depending on the topic you will assert that the Moslem god and the J/C god are the same entity, and then as now you seek to differentiate between the two when it suits you! You can’t have it both ways–you’ll have to save that for your morally bankrupt bedrooms. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/62 "2010-11-11T22:40:03Z")
Its part of the Most Ancient Law, the law the precedes Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. That is if the local tough guy can kill you any time he likes, he has the right to fuck your wife, your daughter, your dog or you if he wants to. You have the right to remain silent. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/63 "2010-11-11T23:27:20Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > The plan calls for an across-the-board salary freeze. > > I’m not sure even that is a great idea. In my line of work, you take about a 60% pay cut to work for the federal government, and the salary divergence only increases over time. If they freeze the salaries, they’re gonna get a lower quality of applicants. Even aside from the impact on quality of work, it can sometimes cost more to operate with lower quality workers than it does to pay higher salary and get better talent. > > Government employee health benefits are pretty sweet though. But that’s not because the feds are paying more for them, I don’t think. It’s because they have a huge pool of workers. Does the pay freeze have an expiration condition attached to it? I was aiming more at what I said; We are all in this shit together. That, are we are not. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/64 "2010-11-12T00:50:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its part of the Most Ancient Law, the law the precedes Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. That is if the local tough guy can kill you any time he likes, he has the right to fuck your wife, your daughter, your dog or you if he wants to. You have the right to remain silent. That is why God made Samuel Colt. The Devil, of course, countered with creating lawyers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/65 "2010-11-12T02:12:07Z")
I came from the Kennedy generation when we thought we could make the whole world a better and more peaceful place to reside. That has all been changed. Now we are run by by selfish bankers and salesmen who have no problem killing anyone anyplace in the world that makes them uncomfortable or keeps them awake a little at night. What hope there was ,before we allowed our government to fall into the hands of selfish hustlers like Bush and Cheney. They turned it all over to financial pros who saw an opportunity to loot til their hearts content on a global scale. After it blew up in their faces, they turned once again to our country to recoup what was properly and fairly stolen in their ethical system. They own us . They will do what they want and the politicians will be their doormen. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/66 "2010-11-12T17:58:40Z")
I suppose everybody in this discussion is aware that Social Security is not allowed to run at a deficit. In 30 years after the boomers are gone, the benefits would drop to 82 percent of todays levels. Social Security can not add to the deficit. It is impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/67 "2010-11-12T18:43:09Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Defense spending also needs to be reined in, again, as much of a strong military fanboy I might be. Spending on intelligence, training and covert operations could increase ten fold and we could still shave a nice portion off the defense budget if we take a pause from trying to build the world’s best fighter aircraft, a role that has become somewhat diminished in this lower-grade, “boots on the ground” type of conflicts we see. Especially in light of the advancement of the technology of drones. Especially. We stopped trying to build the world’s best fighter aircraft some time ago. The F-22 and F-35 programs were conceived in the 80s, and most of the contracts were signed in the 90s. In any event, the Russians will have a fifth-generation (read: capable of taking on an F-22) fighter in about ten years, which means the Chinese might have one in twenty. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/68 "2010-11-12T18:55:20Z")
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright] We stopped trying to build the world’s best fighter aircraft some time ago. The F-22 and F-35 programs were conceived in the 80s, and most of the contracts were signed in the 90s. [/QUOTE] Are you saying that the F-22 isn’t the worlds best (and most expensive) fighter? What other fighter out today (not theoretically 10 years from now) matches it’s capabilities? As for the long design and production lags, that’s pretty common today. After all, the air frame will probably be in service for decades (hell, some of our designs might be in service a century). The point is to make the plane upgradable and scalable, so that as new technologies come out they can be incorporated into the plane in the future. Sorry for the hijack, was just wondering. -XT ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/69 "2010-11-12T18:58:11Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Just to nitpick-if we balance the budget haven’t we already eliminated the deficit? Or am I missing something? Yes, but not the \*debt \*, or the interest on it - that will take a lot of surpluses over a long period. It’s worrying how many people think they’re synonyms. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/70 "2010-11-12T19:00:44Z")
No, I’m saying we’re taking a break from producing the world’s best fighter aircraft, now that the F-22 is finished. There are no replacements under development for the F-22 and F-35. Moreover, the F-22 and F-35 platforms are vastly more versatile than the aircraft they replace (_en toto_, the F-16, F-15, F-18, F-117 and Harrier), and there’s only two of them, instead of five. Over time, they’ll actually be relatively cheap. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/71 "2010-11-12T19:01:23Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Ius Primae Noctae was a european christian thang … not a moslem thang. Actually, [it isn’t](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1139/did-medieval-lords-have-right-of-the-first-night-with-the-local-brides). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/72 "2010-11-12T20:13:05Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Ius Primae Noctae was a european christian thang … not a moslem thang. It was not even that. It never existed. [The Master Speaks.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1139/did-medieval-lords-have-right-of-the-first-night-with-the-local-brides) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/73 "2010-11-12T20:25:01Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > So, are you saying you’re for buttsecks? Sure, as long as you don’t accept eating the poo poo. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/74 "2010-11-12T20:55:07Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > It was not even that. It never existed. [The Master Speaks.](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1139/did-medieval-lords-have-right-of-the-first-night-with-the-local-brides) Huh. I must be on your ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/75 "2010-11-12T22:10:07Z")
It’d be kinda cool if the Air Force got a buncha them flying carpets. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232/76 "2010-11-13T00:45:36Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > But you can’t have more cowbell. You’re just so vain. 😉 But you can have more [cowbelt.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxnFDaZ4WXE) Heh, these guys were great…😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-announces-plan-to-dismantle-social-security-federal-government-us-military/560232.md?page=3)