# Obama, are you bloody stupid? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2008, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207 "2008-08-16T08:25:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/21 "2008-08-16T20:33:41Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] He’s the nominee. There is no reason that a “democratic” process must be used to determine what happens at the convention. [/QUOTE] As I understand it, he’s the _presumptive_ nominee. It’s not official until the convention. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/22 "2008-08-16T20:56:19Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] But he was on the water polo team. [/QUOTE] And coached the US mens badminton doubles team. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/23 "2008-08-16T21:04:13Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Has Obama won any gold medals in the olympics? Didn’t think so. How can he honestly expect my vote? [/QUOTE] Neither has McCain, But he did compete for Team Vietnam in '80, '84 and '88. 😃 I am soooo going to hell for that one. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/24 "2008-08-16T21:09:20Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] But he was on the water polo team. [/QUOTE] Anyone got some hot pics? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/25 "2008-08-16T21:37:46Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Anyone got some hot pics? [/QUOTE] [Here you go.](http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/Obama-Surf.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/26 "2008-08-16T21:38:51Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] [Here you go.](http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/Obama-Surf.jpg) [/QUOTE] **DtC** beat me to it. Remember that picture was from _way early_ in spring training. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2008, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/27 "2008-08-16T23:15:02Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] If Clinton hadn’t made all those tantrum-ey noises she made about “the people being heard,” “the popular vote is the true indicator of who won,” and “I’d win if you count this but don’t count that, while crossing your eyes and spitting on the floor,\* etc.” perhaps it wouldn’t seem patronizing. - I made that last part up. [QUOTE] Can we get some video of that? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/28 "2008-08-18T09:43:42Z")
[QUOTE=Rysto] Vote McCain: He knows how to win medals. [/QUOTE] An Olympics Surge? Just a wild-assed guess. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/29 "2008-08-18T13:43:08Z")
My friends, the Olympic spirit has been with John McCain since a North Vietnamese guard came up to him in the yard of his prison camp and scratched five interlocking rings in the dirt. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/30 "2008-08-18T13:54:46Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Though I will say that everything Hillary’s done since losing the nomination has made it crystal clear that she’s a fucking crybaby and would have been a terrible choice of president. [/QUOTE] Can you tell me what you’re referring to here? -FRL- ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/31 "2008-08-18T14:18:38Z")
[QUOTE=stolichnaya] My friends, the Olympic spirit has been with John McCain since a North Vietnamese guard came up to him in the yard of his prison camp and scratched five interlocking rings in the dirt. [/QUOTE] An ‘anecdote’ apparently stolen from [Solzhenitsyn](http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20080818_mccain_cross_story_raises_eyebrows/) > [@](#): > > Last week, a speech by Sen. John McCain had phrases that were likely lifted directly from Wikipedia. > > Now it seems McCain may have lifted another story last night at megachurch pastor Rick Warren’s Faith Forum. According to a very persuasive Daily Kos diary, the anecdote McCain told about a North Vietnamese prison guard making a cross in the dirt as a sign of solidarity – or as he said, “just two Christians worshiping together” – is very similar to a story about Alexander Solzhenitsyn and his times in the Soviet Gulags. > > “As Solzhenitsyn stared at the Cross drawn in the dirt his entire perspective changed. He knew he was only one man against the all-powerful Soviet empire. Yet he knew there was something greater than the evil he saw in the prison camp, something greater than the Soviet Union. He knew that hope for all people was represented by that simple Cross. Through the power of the Cross, anything was possible.” [Some more McCain fast and loose](http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/the-evidence-th.html) Still, he did bring down the Death Star even though his targeting system was switched off so I guess we can cut him some slack. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/32 "2008-08-18T14:42:26Z")
[QUOTE=Ca3799] [QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] If Clinton hadn’t made all those tantrum-ey noises she made about “the people being heard,” “the popular vote is the true indicator of who won,” and “I’d win if you count this but don’t count that, while crossing your eyes and spitting on the floor,\* etc.” perhaps it wouldn’t seem patronizing. - I made that last part up. > [@](#): > > Can we get some video of that? :rolleyes: Are you saying that my three paraphrases (except the eye-crossing and floor-spitting part I said I made up) of Clinton’s statements are not out there for all to google? ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/33 "2008-08-18T14:50:10Z")
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] [QUOTE=Ca3799] [QUOTE=5-4-Fighting] Are you saying that my three paraphrases (except the eye-crossing and floor-spitting part I said I made up) of Clinton’s statements are not out there for all to google? [/QUOTE] I am saying your description of Clinton as a petulant, tantrum throwing whiner is false. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/34 "2008-08-18T15:21:16Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Has Obama won any gold medals in the olympics? [/QUOTE] I believe the OP references the Breast Stroke. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/35 "2008-08-18T17:49:58Z")
[QUOTE=lieu] I believe the OP references the Breast Stroke. [/QUOTE] Brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/36 "2008-08-18T19:00:12Z")
[QUOTE=Gorsnak] Surely Muslims aren’t eligible for sainthood. :dubious: [/QUOTE] Are we doing a running joke where we pretend to believe Obama’s a Muslim? (I wish we would elect a Muslim president. I don’t think the current one understand Islam at all.) What does the convention really mean, these days? I think I’ll go re-watch _The Best Man_. ---
**Author:** ![want2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@want2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/want2know)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/37 "2008-08-18T19:17:58Z")
If she has delegates pledged to her at the convention, doesn’t _someone_ have to put her name in nomination? Seems like just a formality to me. I mean, if Obama doesn’t do it, someone will, right? I’m no fan of HRC, but I seriously doubt she’d try to switch things around at this point–at least, not if she’s serious about putting a Democrat in the White House, which should be the priority here. Changing it now would just hand the election to McCain and the Republicans–the ultimate “flip-flop”, if you will. Much ado about nothing, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/38 "2008-08-18T21:07:00Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Can you tell me what you’re referring to here? -FRL- [/QUOTE] Well, we can start with her refusing to concede the nomination gracefully and promptly after she lost it by delegate count. Then, we can go onto the embarrassment of trying to elbow her way onto the ticket as VP. Now, wanting this empty gesture of being nominated. It strikes me as very petulant and childish. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/39 "2008-08-18T21:11:04Z")
[QUOTE=want2know] If she has delegates pledged to her at the convention, doesn’t _someone_ have to put her name in nomination? Seems like just a formality to me. I mean, if Obama doesn’t do it, someone will, right? I’m no fan of HRC, but I seriously doubt she’d try to switch things around at this point–at least, not if she’s serious about putting a Democrat in the White House, which should be the priority here. Changing it now would just hand the election to McCain and the Republicans–the ultimate “flip-flop”, if you will. Much ado about nothing, IMHO. [/QUOTE] No it doesn’t have to be done. OTOH, if some ticked off delegates decide to do it, no one can really stop it. What offends me is not that her name may be presented by some die-hards for nomination, but that SHE is apparently insisting it be done. And of course, it’s all for “her” people. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207/40 "2008-08-18T21:13:06Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Well, we can start with her refusing to concede the nomination gracefully and promptly after she lost it by delegate count. [/quote] I did wonder why she wasn’t conceding. > [@](#): > > Then, we can go onto the embarrassment of trying to elbow her way onto the ticket as VP. I guess I can remember her supporters making arguments that she should be VP, but making that kind of argument isn’t the same thing as “elbowing one’s way in.” What do you mean by “elbowing in” here? > [@](#): > > Now, wanting this empty gesture of being nominated. Everything I’ve read and seen on the news relevant to this indicates that this was the Obama campaign’s idea, not hers. That could be spin, of course, but I’d need to see _evidence_ that it was her idea before I took the position that it was her idea. [/quote] -FrL- [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-are-you-bloody-stupid/460207.md?page=3)