# Obama attempts to "modify" the BIG THREE entitlements, I will remove his 2012 sticker from my Jeep! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118 "2011-07-23T23:05:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/101 "2011-07-26T00:28:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > When Obama folds every time the Republicans raise, then why would you blame them for raising every time they get a chance? If the roles were reversed, wouldn’t you? > > Obama doesn’t stand for anything any more. > > If there is a Democrat on the ballot in 2012, I will vote for them, I’m just not sure Obama is a Democrat. > > He might as well throw his hat into the Republican primary at this point. Vivid post. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/102 "2011-07-26T00:29:02Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Sorry, I am not going to research for one person who is not up to speed. Thank you for your consideration. Around here, **you** make the assertion, **you** can bring the cite or you’re a stupid loser. That’s the Dope way. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/103 "2011-07-26T00:41:34Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Then there is something seriously wrong with you is all I can say. Up the voltage and get out a little bit…leave the basement and go forth to see the real world… > > …Or, maybe you are as stupid as you are ignorant, and you should get your head out of your ass and try and understand the nature of reality, American politics style. > > -XT Ever since former President Eisenhower’s daughter appeared on _“Real Time with Bill Maher,”_ I have been concerned. When we elected President Obama, I thought we were getting a real liberal, but to me “mediocre” best describes the Obama presidency to this life long liberal. The Eisenhower Institute sees President Obama as very much an “Eisenhower Moderate.” Ike believed in something similar to the Affordable Care Act that President Obama wanted. I would call it a very pragmatic problem to be a Democrat and watch a Democratic President playing poker with the BIG 3. I am not alone the polls as well as Ed Schultz, (_The Ed Show_), and Bill Maher (_Real Time_), said it first. Believe me I wish this was an argument I would lose. Maybe at the last minute the president will tell the liberal base in the Democratic Party that it was all a ploy to attract independent voters. I am afraid that is a long shot. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/104 "2011-07-26T00:45:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That, **Cyclone,** is what we around here call a **rant.** Not a GD OP. Crafted arguments based upon facts and are linked to supporting information are referred to as ‘grounded posts.’ ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/105 "2011-07-26T00:49:29Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Then there is something seriously wrong with you is all I can say. Up the voltage and get out a little bit…leave the basement and go forth to see the real world… > > Or, maybe you are as stupid as you are ignorant, and you should get your head out of your ass and try and understand the nature of reality, American politics style. > > -XT You would do well to remember that when you point a finger, the other three are pointing at yourself. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/106 "2011-07-26T01:01:41Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > So I suppose your approach to solving tough world problems together is similar to your behavior in [your immigration thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=616990)? You know, the one where you claimed the term “anchor baby” was _polite_, threw out some ridiculous numbers from a known hate group, refused to acknowledge the validity of more reliable data provided by other posters, ignored various arguments as to why immigration laws should be changed, tried to frame to argument as a false dilemma, and were generally argumentative and obstinate? > > If you really expect frictionless agreement with your views, especially ones that are based on invective and prejudice rather than actual facts, then no, I don’t think you’ll be able to contribute much to your fellow democrats in solving tough world problems together. Just the very fact that you would drag the issue of illegal immigration into this thread pleases me, and makes my point. I got you thinking. While I am not from Chicago, I have read a great deal about politics in that city. The Chicago fire of 1971 made socialism the rule of the day. People who feathered their own nests during the fire received justice quickly and violently. I am pretty much a Chicago Democrat, as is our president. **Practical,** \*\*liberal \*\ ***Democrats** get things done. In the 1960s Chicago Democrats built O’hare Airport, and designed it well for future use. It is efficient today. Lake Shore Drive brought express driving to Lake Michigan and Chicago’s north side. Chicago was “Yes we can” long before Obama. So, while my fellow liberals are debating the lint in their navels, and conservatives are trying to turn back the hands of time, we **practical** **liberal** \*\*Democrats \*\*are getting progressive things done with a focus on long term planning. Honestly, we don’t care what the arm-chair liberals think, we have their votes on lock down. $5 says the Obama 2012 DNC bumper sticker on my Jeep will not be removed until it is replaced with a Hillary Clinton, (hmmmm…another Chicagoan) bumper sticker in 2016. Duh! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/107 "2011-07-26T01:04:24Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Crafted arguments based upon facts and are linked to supporting information are referred to as ‘grounded posts.’ New phrase to me. But your OP is a rant, not a grounded post. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/108 "2011-07-26T01:07:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What makes you think **that?!** Try Google, you will be amazed at what one can learn. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/109 "2011-07-26T01:09:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Easily more than you do, if you think you did more than simply register to vote as a party member (if you even did that). The DNC has only a few hundred members nationwide, and all of them earned those positions of trust by working their asses off for the party for many years. > > IOW we’ve seen your brand of laughably-bad liar many times before. Now you can kindly go back and tell your Freeper friends how much you pwned us. :rolleyes: Are you sure you are not a Repub? You have the unsubstantiated name calling down pretty well! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/110 "2011-07-26T01:12:49Z")
Can you substantiate your claim to be a DNC member? No, we all know you cannot. Therefore it isn’t namecalling, it’s truthtelling. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/111 "2011-07-26T01:17:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > New phrase to me. But your OP is a rant, not a grounded post. I don’t recall hearing anyone ask you for a definition of “rant.”. If discussing a minor issue is what you guys do around here for fun around here, you can thank me for generating interest by creating this thread. A hundred posts in 24 hours, it is a winner! My threads usually require intelligence, ability to support arguments with facts, and the emotional involvement of all. You need me to post here, and wake you guys up. As Ed Schultz begins each show, "Let’s go to work! :eek: [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30031533/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30031533/) Ed Schultz is my brand of liberal. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/112 "2011-07-26T01:23:30Z")
Where are your “facts to support your argument” that you’ve been a DNC member since you were 18? Hell, where’s your evidence of “intelligence”? ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/113 "2011-07-26T01:26:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Can you substantiate your claim to be a DNC member? No, we all know you cannot. Therefore it isn’t namecalling, it’s truthtelling. Actually, you can verify my DNC membership. Simply call them at 202-853-8000 and ask if they can verify membership for #099533XXX in zip code 90272. They will not give my name, but verifications like this are done all the time for reasons of greater importance than chat on a message board. Allow me to invite you to join the DNC. Send them a check for any amount, and you will begin your journey. [http://www.democrats.org/](http://www.democrats.org/) After all, why should my voice be any louder than yours? There are talkers and doers. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/114 "2011-07-26T01:30:23Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > My threads usually require intelligence, ability to support arguments with facts, and the emotional involvement of all. Yes, you’ll find the Dope community often gets emotionally involved in beating up the clueless idiot. You’ll find that **frequently,** if you stay around. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/115 "2011-07-26T01:35:07Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > I never fail to be amazed about people who use the word “troll” and do not seem to know what it means. Oh, I know exactly what it means, troll. Also, > [@Bosstone](#): > > Oh my god use the fucking multiquote ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/116 "2011-07-26T01:36:50Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Actually, you can verify my DNC membership. Simply call them at 202-853-8000 and ask if they can verify membership for #099533XXX in zip code 90272. They will not give my name, but verifications like this are done all the time for reasons of greater importance than chat on a message board. Hilarious! You’re a _card-carrying_ member, and an one who must maintain a secret identity too! 😃 Do you have a Democrat-Man costume too, or is that only for Halloween? [Here’s the membership roster](http://www.democratictalkradio.com/pdf/DNCRoster041108.pdf), since we all know you’ve never seen it and it didn’t occur to you that it might be online. No membership numbers listed or used, and nobody in 90272. Remember to tell your buddies back on Freep about that part before they try the same little prank. You’re a lying troll, and not even a good one. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/117 "2011-07-26T05:52:27Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Sorry, I am not going to research for one person who is not up to speed. Thank you for your consideration. In other words, you’re talking out your ass and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/118 "2011-07-26T05:58:34Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > **Practical,** \*\*liberal \*\ ***Democrats** get things done. In the 1960s Chicago Democrats . . . :rolleyes: Please pick an example that does not involve a corrupt urban political machine. Those “get things done” at far too high a cost, and not just in money. ---
**Author:** ![heavyarms553](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/779978/32.png) [@heavyarms553](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heavyarms553)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/119 "2011-07-26T16:54:05Z")
We don’t have any money. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/120 "2011-07-26T21:40:00Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Try Google, you will be amazed at what one can learn. See post #102. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118.md?page=7)