# Obama attempts to "modify" the BIG THREE entitlements, I will remove his 2012 sticker from my Jeep! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118 "2011-07-23T23:05:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/121 "2011-07-26T23:17:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: Please pick an example that does not involve a corrupt urban political machine. Surely you’re aware of the Freeper practice of referring to Obama’s “Chicago-style politics”. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/122 "2011-07-26T23:24:13Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Oh, I know exactly what it means, troll. > > Also, And, name calling is all he’s got. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/123 "2011-07-26T23:29:21Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Hilarious! You’re a _card-carrying_ member, and an one who must maintain a secret identity too! 😃 Do you have a Democrat-Man costume too, or is that only for Halloween? > > [Here’s the membership roster](http://www.democratictalkradio.com/pdf/DNCRoster041108.pdf), since we all know you’ve never seen it and it didn’t occur to you that it might be online. No membership numbers listed or used, and nobody in 90272. > > Remember to tell your buddies back on Freep about that part before they try the same little prank. You’re a lying troll, and not even a good one. Hey, I don’t set DNC policy on how we identify our members. Funny though, no one else has even claimed DNC membership. Makes me wonder how seriously I can take posts in The Straight Dope. I realize you are paranoid. I have no idea what ‘Freep.’ This troll talk is too trite for words. Is this one of those message boards for people who have been banned everywhere else? Conspiracy I can deal with, but paranoia is an unproductive activity. I won’t put up with it. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/124 "2011-07-26T23:34:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Surely you’re aware of the Freeper practice of referring to Obama’s “Chicago-style politics”. I have not heard of what you are talking about. Chicago style politics are real. They call things as they are. They solve real problems, now. Sure there is a striving for utopia in the future, but in Chicago they take care of today’s problems today. If you let right and left wing-nuts run things nothing would get done. The current debt ceiling issue in Washington is testament to this. Frankly, I place little value on people who chase political wind mills. The word ‘progressive’ says it all. And, that is Chicago making progress and overcoming obstructions. From Meriam Webster’s Dictionary; **Definition of PROGRESSIVE** 1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by progress b : making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c : of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression 2 : of, relating to, or characterized by progression 3 : moving forward or onward : advancing 4 a : increasing in extent or severity \ b : increasing in rate as the base increases \ 5 often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives 6 : of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of 7 : of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths \ 8 : or, relating to, or using a method of video scanning (as for television or a computer monitor) in which the horizontal lines of each frame are drawn successively from top to bottom — compare interlaced — pro·gres·sive·ly adverb — pro·gres·sive·ness noun ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/125 "2011-07-26T23:37:21Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > I have not heard of what you are talking about. Chicago style politics are real. They call things as they are. They solve real problems, now. Sure there is a striving for utopia in the future, but in Chicago they take care of today’s problems today. You were talking about Chicago **in the 1960s.** When the Daley Machine ran things. No good model for nuttin’. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/126 "2011-07-26T23:45:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: Please pick an example that does not involve a corrupt urban political machine. Those “get things done” at far too high a cost, and not just in money. Again, while I am not from Illinois, I consider myself part of the Chicago approach to politics. You want corruption? Name any city, state, or nation. In my opinion ALL humans have some form of corruption. New Mexico would have to be the most corrupt state I am familiar with. They keep throwing state office holders into jail, and no one bats an eye. Their television news is a plethoria of criminal activity. No wonder they are nearly in last place in everything from education to Medicaid. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/127 "2011-07-27T00:21:41Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Again, while I am not from Illinois, I consider myself part of the Chicago approach to politics. You want corruption? Name any city, state, or nation. In my opinion ALL humans have some form of corruption. :rolleyes: [There are degrees,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index) and the differences do matter a lot. > [@Cyclone](#): > > New Mexico would have to be the most corrupt state I am familiar with. They keep throwing state office holders into jail, and no one bats an eye. Their television news is a plethoria of criminal activity. No wonder they are nearly in last place in everything from education to Medicaid. See? A corrupt government is **not** a good model for getting things done. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/128 "2011-07-27T02:09:17Z")
Admit it **Cyclone** : The 2012 bumper sticker for Obama on your jeep is one that says: Obama = Hitler ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/129 "2011-07-27T02:15:52Z")
Lord God, how I hate it when somebody posts a dictionary definition of a commonly understood word as if it proves something. Makes me want to drop kick a puppy. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/130 "2011-07-27T02:23:53Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Frankly, I place little value on people who chase political wind mills. The word ‘progressive’ says it all. And, that is Chicago making progress and overcoming obstructions. > > From Meriam Webster’s Dictionary; Every field of human endeavor has its specialized vocabulary, and in politics “progressive” – as used in American political discourse now – means something more specific than that. It means something well to the right if “socialist” and well to the left of “liberal” – in European terms, roughly equivalent to “social-democratic”. See [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=496350) for discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/131 "2011-07-27T04:49:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What makes you think **that?!** Brain damage? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/132 "2011-07-27T20:10:50Z")
[Senator Bernie Sanders suggests a primary challenge from Obama’s left.](http://www.thenation.com/blog/162246/obamas-compromising-stirs-talk-dem-primary-challenge-bernie-sanders-says-its-good-idea) (But he is emphatically **not** offering to run, some “progressive Democrat” would have to do it. Sanders is an independent – not even a Socialist Party member or Vermont Progressive Party member, just a self-ID’d “socialist” with no party affiliation.) ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/133 "2011-07-27T21:33:42Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > Hey, I don’t set DNC policy on how we identify our members. Funny though, no one else has even claimed DNC membership. Makes me wonder how seriously I can take posts in The Straight Dope. > > I realize you are paranoid. I have no idea what ‘Freep.’ You do a very poor job of acting ignorant. I’d have said stupid, but you do a very good job at that, troll. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/134 "2011-07-27T23:27:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Every field of human endeavor has its specialized vocabulary, and in politics “progressive” – as used in American political discourse now – means something more specific than that. It means something well to the right if “socialist” and well to the left of “liberal” – in European terms, roughly equivalent to “social-democratic”. Yes and no. “Progressive” in the modern vernacular is what liberals started calling themselves a couple years ago after the GOP made liberal a dirty word. I look forward to the next archaic party name they dig up after the GOP makes progs the next curse word. Hey, no one has used Greenback or Whig in awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/135 "2011-07-28T01:21:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Senator Bernie Sanders suggests a primary challenge from Obama’s left.](http://www.thenation.com/blog/162246/obamas-compromising-stirs-talk-dem-primary-challenge-bernie-sanders-says-its-good-idea) (But he is emphatically **not** offering to run, some “progressive Democrat” would have to do it. Sanders is an independent – not even a Socialist Party member or Vermont Progressive Party member, just a self-ID’d “socialist” with no party affiliation.) Fuck him. Fuck him up the ass with a hot poker. Bernie Sanders just proved that he doesn’t give a good goddamn fuck about the future of this nation. Our next president will likely have to fill TWO seats on the Supreme Court. We already got Bush v Gore. We now have Corporations are People. If a Republican gets the presidency and fills those 2 seats, anyone who’s alive right now will NEVER know the same America we know today. Never. Supreme Court appointments are for life. Life. Bad decisions can take _centuries_ to overturn. If we fuck with President Obama during the primaries? We’re all fucked. Truly, deeply fucked. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/136 "2011-07-28T01:26:58Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > If we fuck with President Obama during the primaries? We’re all fucked. Truly, deeply fucked. Don’t worry. No one will primary Obama save as a gesture. It’s far too late for fundraising. And if he got the Clinton vote in November 2008 after a primary fight **that** bitter, he can get the Kucinich or whoever vote in November 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/137 "2011-07-28T02:08:05Z")
Any Democrat who tries to primary Obama should face the end of their career in national politics. You wanna play games at a time like this? Fuck you, you’ve proven you’re not qualified to work with adults. Back to the kid’s table for you. You’re done. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/138 "2011-07-28T02:33:51Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Any Democrat who tries to primary Obama should face the end of their career in national politics. You wanna play games at a time like this? Fuck you, you’ve proven you’re not qualified to work with adults. Back to the kid’s table for you. You’re done. Tell that to Bernie Fucking Sanders. Now I’m pissed I donated to his re-election campaign. Fucking traitor. The Republican party has a faction of outrageously stupid winguts on the far right, but at least they know better than to destroy their party from the inside out. We dumbass Democrats let _our_ wingnuts eat our own. It’s the dumbest fucking thing on the planet and will be the undoing of this country once and for all. We’ll crumble like Ancient Rome. It’s goddamn depressing. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/139 "2011-07-28T03:33:13Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > The Republican party has a faction of outrageously stupid winguts on the far right, but at least they know better than to destroy their party from the inside out. No, they **used** to. The Tea Party changed all that. > [@Shayna](#): > > We dumbass Democrats let _our_ wingnuts . . . RWs are wingnuts. LWs are moonbats. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118/140 "2011-07-28T12:19:35Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Tell that to Bernie Fucking Sanders. Now I’m pissed I donated to his re-election campaign. Fucking traitor. Traitor to what? Sanders is not a Democrat, never has been, and never has pretended to be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-attempts-to-modify-the-big-three-entitlements-i-will-remove-his-2012-sticker-from-my-jeep/590118.md?page=8)